2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Leafs' first rounder isn't going to play in the NHL for years. It's just not that valuable a commodity.

I rank a first pairing Dman and first line centre about the same as far as impact on the game. Wingers are behind them unless you are talking about the very best, like an Ovechkin, Laine or P. Kane. So Dougie is more valuable than any Leaf player being named.

I rank number 1 Dmen the same as number 1 centre. Dougie is top pairing but Gio is the number 1.

The deal I think makes the most sense with the Leafs is Nylander and a 1st. The Flames need a right shot forward like Nylander and they need picks. I prefer Marner but I don’t see Toronto moving him

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I rank number 1 Dmen the same as number 1 centre. Dougie is top pairing but Gio is the number 1.

The deal I think makes the most sense with the Leafs is Nylander and a 1st. The Flames need a right shot forward like Nylander and they need picks. I prefer Marner but I don’t see Toronto moving him

Nylander would fill our void for a top 6 winger. Who though plays with Gio on top d pairing? Brodie has been declining. Hamonic not there. No one in AHL to step in anytime soon. Valimaki potential top pairing? Fox? Anyone else?

Fill a void to open up another void. Unless Hamilton is an issue in dressing room, I'd rather get top 6 winger through UFA with Stajan off books and Brouwer buy-out.

[Bar-Down]

I don't want to move Hamilton so it would have to take a big package.

Hamilton for
Mark Stone + 1st rounder + ?

Dmen can demand big packages.

Hamonic got 1st, 2x2nds
Larsson got Taylor Hall

[Johnhitbox]

I agree. And also that's what she said.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I rank number 1 Dmen the same as number 1 centre. Dougie is top pairing but Gio is the number 1.

The deal I think makes the most sense with the Leafs is Nylander and a 1st. The Flames need a right shot forward like Nylander and they need picks. I prefer Marner but I don’t see Toronto moving him

If the Leafs were to trade us Nylander (which I am 99% sure they won't) you are not getting a 1st as well.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If the Leafs were to trade us Nylander (which I am 99% sure they won't) you are not getting a 1st as well.

I don't necessarily agree.

If they lose to Boston in 4-5 games with very little offence from the blueline I think they would.

I think theyre a top Dman from actually contending.

[edslunch]

Nm

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

I don't want to move Hamilton so it would have to take a big package.

Hamilton for
Mark Stone + 1st rounder + ?

Dmen can demand big packages.

Hamonic got 1st, 2x2nds
Larsson got Taylor Hall

Both of these deals are openly mocked as deeply regrettable. I would be careful to assume similar returns.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I rank number 1 Dmen the same as number 1 centre. Dougie is top pairing but Gio is the number 1.

The deal I think makes the most sense with the Leafs is Nylander and a 1st. The Flames need a right shot forward like Nylander and they need picks. I prefer Marner but I don’t see Toronto moving him

Don’t see Toronto trading any of their young guys for a D man. If they target a d man it will be with picks or free agency I think.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I rank number 1 Dmen the same as number 1 centre. Dougie is top pairing but Gio is the number 1.

The deal I think makes the most sense with the Leafs is Nylander and a 1st. The Flames need a right shot forward like Nylander and they need picks. I prefer Marner but I don’t see Toronto moving him

Gio is the number one right now, but he's not getting any younger. Hamilton should be the number one within a few years. He's already the best offensive D by a good margin, and his defence is underrated, mainly because when he makes a mistake it's against a top line and bad things can then happen and also because he is pretty effortless in his movements and not really physical. he breaks up a lot of plays with reach though.

[Mattman]

Just gonna pitch a little something and make it clear from the start: I am not advocating any of these guys be traded other than the fact they offer value in a trade.

Kylington, Andersson, Valimaki and Fox I would all put in the B+ range for defensive prospects. I would love it if they all panned out but realistically you can't bank on that happening. I don't think Hamilton, Giordano or Hamonic are going anywhere fast, and Kulak and Stone are solid for us on the bottom pairing. Our defense is stacked on paper and if we can find a team willing to bite on these prospects why not use that to find some top 6 talent.

Package that along with another roster player. Let's say Frolik, Bennett, or Brodie.

-Valimaki, Kylington, Fox, or Andersson
-Frolik, Bennett, or Brodie
-1st, 2nd or 3rd

Pick one of each and that's a could become a pretty enticing package for a GM willing to trade away top 6 talent.


I'm not thinking of a specific player but someone such as Wayne Simmonds (1 year, $3.95mil), David Pasternak (6 years, $6.66mil) or Mark Stone (RFA). Someone who can handle the heat and be a game changer in Calgary.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Just gonna pitch a little something and make it clear from the start: I am not advocating any of these guys be traded other than the fact they offer value in a trade.

Kylington, Andersson, Valimaki and Fox I would all put in the B+ range for defensive prospects. I would love it if they all panned out but realistically you can't bank on that happening. I don't think Hamilton, Giordano or Hamonic are going anywhere fast, and Kulak and Stone are solid for us on the bottom pairing. Our defense is stacked on paper and if we can find a team willing to bite on these prospects why not use that to find some top 6 talent.

Package that along with another roster player. Let's say Frolik, Bennett, or Brodie.

-Valimaki, Kylington, Fox, or Andersson
-Frolik, Bennett, or Brodie
-1st, 2nd or 3rd

Pick one of each and that's a could become a pretty enticing package for a GM willing to trade away top 6 talent.


I'm not thinking of a specific player but someone such as Wayne Simmonds (1 year, $3.95mil), David Pasternak (6 years, $6.66mil) or Mark Stone (RFA). Someone who can handle the heat and be a game changer in Calgary.

Other GM's do not see those 4 as B+ prospects. (I doubt most Flames fans thinks they are B+ prospects)

If they are all B+, you keep them, trade your other D, and laugh for the next 10 years having 4 young top 4 D.

Do you really believe Frolik, Kylington, and a pick is getting you Stone or Pasternak? (Or Equiv)

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Do you really believe Frolik, Kylington, and a pick is getting you Stone or Pasternak? (Or Equiv)

For sure.

Do you believe Spaling, Kapenen, Harrington and some picks are worth Phil Kessel?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Both of these deals are openly mocked as deeply regrettable. I would be careful to assume similar returns.

Then you don't trade him! Seriously

Some of you guys want to give away the leading Dman goal scorer in the NHL.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Then you don't trade him! Seriously

Some of you guys want to give away the leading Dman goal scorer in the NHL.

Where did I say the flames should even consider trading him man??

All I'm saying is previous dumb deals made by GMs won't dictate the future market when it comes to the acquiring price

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Where did I say the flames should even consider trading him man??

All I'm saying is previous dumb deals made by GMs won't dictate the future market when it comes to the acquiring price

It was more directed at the entire conversation than just your comment... although I'm pretty certain someone would pay a Kings ransom for Hamilton...there is no comparable UFA and even if there was he would be getting 8+ on the open market.

If someone wants a 1st pairing Dman they are gonna PAY

[savemedrzaius]

Why do Leafs want Hamilton? Does he even PK? Leafs have two dmen who put up over 50 points. They aren't in need of offensive dmen. They need a solid steady shutdown guy with a physical edge. So not Hamilton.

If Leafs.really wanted a Hamilton type player they could go after Carlson in the off season. Don't have to give up anything.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Where did I say the flames should even consider trading him man??

All I'm saying is previous dumb deals made by GMs won't dictate the future market when it comes to the acquiring price

Not sure why the Hamonic deal is 'dumb'. First of all we don't know what the tangible assets given up are. It will take until the draft(s) and potentially years later to properly evaluate. Slow your roll. I know it's easy and fashionable to criticize the Flames for it now, and it could blow up in their faces if the islanders win the lottery with the pick. I would give this one more time. Chances are Hamonic isn't saddled with a boat anchor who looks to be actively playing his way out of town & a coaching staff that belligerently stick with it the pair next year. Let's wait and see.

Hamonic was fine. There was a recent article on the athletic that did the analysis showing Hamonic was better without Brodie, while Brodie was worse without Hamonic.

Also, it was mentioned last week on the Steve dangle podcast that the leafs had offered their first and JVR for Hamonic. So it's not like the Flames were out of line with their proposal.

[bubbsy]

Agree to disagree.

Bubble teams that aren't perennial playoff teams should not be throwing around 1st round picks. See brian Burke's moves as leafs gm....

Funny how he let history repeat itself again.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It was more directed at the entire conversation than just your comment... although I'm pretty certain someone would pay a Kings ransom for Hamilton...there is no comparable UFA and even if there was he would be getting 8+ on the open market.

If someone wants a 1st pairing Dman they are gonna PAY

John Carlson. But ya he's gonna get paid.