04-09-2018, 09:13 PM
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#9741
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Glastonbury
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Madness.
Now I remember why I rarely poke my head in this thread.
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Oh I don’t know...it’s all in how you look at it. It’s entertaining to do the mental gymnastics and ponder it.
Myself, I wouldn’t deal Hamilton for Nolan...not yet. I’d be a bit worried about that melon, and I want a bigger performance data set.
On the other hand, you are selling high on Hamilton right now he could get you a nice piece, or pieces.
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04-09-2018, 09:19 PM
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#9742
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Franchise Player
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24 year old RH dman that just lead the league in goal scoring, is 6'6", and has been top 10 in Norris voting while improving his offensive totals every season.
Teams were gonna offer sheet this guy
Hamilton is worth an 80-90 point forward all day long.
Specific names? Who knows... depends where is desperate for D. Anything less and the Flames don't even consider.
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04-09-2018, 09:30 PM
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#9743
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Even if Patrick was already a PROVEN number 1 center at the NHL level their values would be similar. We've seen that in the past with actual trades by actual nhl general managers. Since he hasnt proven anything yet after a 13 goal rookie season its pretty safe to say Hamilton is the more valuable asset at this point.
I cant believe you actually think differently to be honest. Boggles my mind.
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The template for this is Jones for Johansen. I would put Jones ahead of Hamilton (at the time of the trade) based on potential. Johansen is a solid 60-70 point #1C. Based on that maybe ROR is a fair trade straight up for Hamilton? Not sure I'd do it, but seems about the right value.
Wait, is it possible ROR only has 2 PIM this season? So much for getting more grit...
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04-09-2018, 10:19 PM
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#9744
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Originally Posted by edslunch
The template for this is Jones for Johansen. I would put Jones ahead of Hamilton (at the time of the trade) based on potential. Johansen is a solid 60-70 point #1C. Based on that maybe ROR is a fair trade straight up for Hamilton? Not sure I'd do it, but seems about the right value.
Wait, is it possible ROR only has 2 PIM this season? So much for getting more grit...
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The amazing thing is Jones is know as thee up and coming stud young Dman yet has Hamilton out performed him over their first 6 years and is only one year older.
Personally, I don't trade a 24 year old consistent 45-50 point defenseman for a 27 year old consistent 55-60 point center. Sorry, but in the real world trading Hamilton for O'Reilly would be epic fail.
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04-09-2018, 10:30 PM
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#9745
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
The amazing thing is Jones is know as thee up and coming stud young Dman yet has Hamilton out performed him over their first 6 years and is only one year older.
Personally, I don't trade a 24 year old consistent 45-50 point defenseman for a 27 year old consistent 55-60 point center. Sorry, but in the real world trading Hamilton for O'Reilly would be epic fail.
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The only way I'd do that 1 for 1 trade is if:
A) Dougie has been identified as one of the "problems" with the team's culture
B) Glen Gulutzan is no longer the head coach, because if Hamilton gets moved we're going to be relying on Brodie returning to form...and I'm not sure I believe that can happen with Gully at the helm.
I'm with you though - Hamilton > O'Reilly. It's still crazy to me how people undervalue the league leading goal scorer for defencemen as if it's nothing, not to mention how dominating the pair of Gio + Hamilton has been for 2 straight seasons now.
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04-10-2018, 03:02 AM
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#9746
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Crash and Bang Winger
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This is far out but what if Tre/Burke feels like pulling off draft day magic. Unite the next elite set of brothers. Out with the Sedins and in with the Tkachuks. Matthew is the exact type of player we say we need more of, so why not get the next closest thing to him in his brother? Aim for the team that drafts 4-6 after the lottery
Montreal? Ottawa? Buffalo? Arizona? Detroit? Rangers? One of them is bound too. And I can't help but think we could do multiple player swap with most of those teams.
Buf - Hamilton and Bennett+ for ROR and 1st rounder?
Mtl - Brodie/Hamilton Bennett for 2018 1st rounder+ Byron/Gallagher/Pacioretty
NYR - Hamilton+ for 1st rounder + Pavel Buchnevich/ Hayes/ Zuccarello?
Det - Hamilton+ for 1st Rounder, Athanasiou/Mantha/Nyquist?
Ariz - Hamilton+ for 1st rounder + Domi / Dvorak
Something along those lines plus or minus whatever makes it fair?
Sorry I spent to much time on the "value of Dougie Hamilton"
thread on hfboards tonight.
Is this ludacris or could there be a big deal to be made?
Last edited by Braden; 04-10-2018 at 03:04 AM.
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04-10-2018, 04:27 AM
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#9747
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Lifetime Suspension
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This is terrible.
Trading Hamilton, a proven defender for magic beans.
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Originally Posted by Braden
This is far out but what if Tre/Burke feels like pulling off draft day magic. Unite the next elite set of brothers. Out with the Sedins and in with the Tkachuks. Matthew is the exact type of player we say we need more of, so why not get the next closest thing to him in his brother? Aim for the team that drafts 4-6 after the lottery
Montreal? Ottawa? Buffalo? Arizona? Detroit? Rangers? One of them is bound too. And I can't help but think we could do multiple player swap with most of those teams.
Buf - Hamilton and Bennett+ for ROR and 1st rounder?
Mtl - Brodie/Hamilton Bennett for 2018 1st rounder+ Byron/Gallagher/Pacioretty
NYR - Hamilton+ for 1st rounder + Pavel Buchnevich/ Hayes/ Zuccarello?
Det - Hamilton+ for 1st Rounder, Athanasiou/Mantha/Nyquist?
Ariz - Hamilton+ for 1st rounder + Domi / Dvorak
Something along those lines plus or minus whatever makes it fair?
Sorry I spent to much time on the "value of Dougie Hamilton"
thread on hfboards tonight.
Is this ludacris or could there be a big deal to be made?
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04-10-2018, 06:50 AM
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#9748
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Lol in what way was Jones worth more than Hamilton at the time of that trade? He's not even better now lol. Hamilton gets a ton if unwarranted respect. He's 1000xthe player brodie is and cares 30x more about winning.
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04-10-2018, 06:57 AM
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#9749
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Not to mention Johansen was a 24 year old former 4th overall pick coming off 63 & 71 point seasons.
How does trading a better piece only land us a 27 year old OReilly? The answer: They would add, or AT LEAST eat some salary.
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04-10-2018, 07:27 AM
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#9750
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Not to mention Johansen was a 24 year old former 4th overall pick coming off 63 & 71 point seasons.
How does trading a better piece only land us a 27 year old OReilly? The answer: They would add, or AT LEAST eat some salary.
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They need to add and it needs to be significant. Like Nylander.
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04-10-2018, 07:31 AM
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#9751
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Franchise Player
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Is there a team so desperate for D as Colombus was they would trade a top young F?
Recent articles indicate Toronto isn’t going to be looking for a big time D. Maybe a small upgrade.
Last edited by Weitz; 04-10-2018 at 07:33 AM.
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04-10-2018, 07:33 AM
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#9752
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Is there a team so desperate for D as Colombus was they would trade a top young F?
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We may find out over the next few weeks. The playoffs usually tend to expose the holes in teams.
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04-10-2018, 07:48 AM
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#9753
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
The amazing thing is Jones is know as thee up and coming stud young Dman yet has Hamilton out performed him over their first 6 years and is only one year older.
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Outperformed him in points only.
Jones is the better d-man.
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04-10-2018, 07:53 AM
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#9755
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Outperformed him in points only.
Jones is the better d-man.
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Tell that to the Norris Trophy voters, points are what make the better dman. 
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04-10-2018, 08:01 AM
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#9756
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Outperformed him in points only.
Jones is the better d-man.
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Why do you believe Jones is the better d-man? Have you watched Jones as extensively as you have Hamilton? Do you have a statistical basis for your opinion? Have you run an "eye test" on Jones V Hamilton with equal levels of exposure to both players? Is it possible you're just being hyper critical of Hamilton due to over exposure?
Your statement feels like it's based on absolutely nothing other than the age old proven analytical approach of "the grass is greener on the other side", because all the evidence out there would say Hamilton is better than Jones, and better than a great many other defencemen. He's an elite top pairing defender at the age of 24.
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04-10-2018, 08:42 AM
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#9757
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A case can be made that Seth Jones is better than Hamilton RIGHT NOW, but I was talking about Seth Jones at the time he was traded for a young #1 center. He's come a long ways since that time. It's been 3 years.
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04-10-2018, 08:44 AM
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#9758
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
A case can be made that Seth Jones is better than Hamilton RIGHT NOW, but I was talking about Seth Jones at the time he was traded for a young #1 center. He's come a long ways since that time. It's been 3 years.
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I'd like to see that case, because (as Vinny showed) there's a lot of evidence that shows just how elite Hamilton is.
If he had been used on PP1 since the start of the season, it's not a wild leap to think he would have crested 60 points.
I'd absolutely agree with saying Hamilton right now is definitely better than Jones was when Jones was traded.
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04-10-2018, 08:48 AM
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#9759
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
I'd like to see that case, because (as Vinny showed) there's a lot of evidence that shows just how elite Hamilton is.
If he had been used on PP1 since the start of the season, it's not a wild leap to think he would have crested 60 points.
I'd definitely agree with saying Hamilton right now is definitely better than Jones was when Jones was traded.
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Yes, they are very close right now IMO.
The bold part is the key here. Some people crapping on my Philly proposal like I offered Cammalleri for Drouin or something when in fact I was giving up one of the best D in the league in order to get the return I proposed.
Last edited by Roof-Daddy; 04-10-2018 at 08:51 AM.
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04-10-2018, 08:51 AM
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#9760
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Join Date: Oct 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Braden
Is this ludacris
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No:
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