[News Roundup] Garbage bag day: Monahan had 4 surgeries!

[nik-]

lol damn you salty.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by nik-

lol damn you salty.

Says the guy who just stopped replying to everyone calling out that defeated logic.

You weren't quoting anyone when you said player interviews were useless, and that came just a post after you said

Originally Posted by nik-

It's detrimental because it's pointless.

with regard to Treliving taking time to listen to what players have to say.

I guess the trouble is it's hard to follow logic that isn't there.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Gallick

Anyone who seriously thinks Brad Treliving is going to tip his hand in the season wrap-up presser as far as coaching decisions are concerned has not paid much attention to Brad Treliving.

He did in the 2016 garbage day presser. He made some comments that gave away, to me, he was firing Hartley. His tone today about Gulutzan felt different. I don't get the sense he's firing him

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Says the guy who just stopped replying to everyone calling out that defeated logic.

You weren't quoting anyone when you said player interviews were useless, and that came just a post after you said



with regard to Treliving taking time to listen to what players have to say.

I guess the trouble is it's hard to follow logic that isn't there.

Dude, you seem obsessed with me thinking this should be a quick decision equating to a tantrum. You're stuck on that narrative, what am I supposed to do by continuing to reply if you're clinging to it? I'd rather just let you have it and carry on. But no, you seem personally affronted.

And yes, if the GM needs end of year interviews to make a decision, I feel that's a problem. There's no wall of silence between the GM and the team all year. He should have a pretty solid idea of what's going on. I think he should have the information he needs via watching this team all year.

Are you happy? We disagree, but it doesn't mean anyone is freaking out. Can we move on now, or do you feel the need to just hold on to this a big longer?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by nik-

Dude, you seem obsessed with me thinking this should be a quick decision equating to a tantrum. You're stuck on that narrative, what am I supposed to do by continuing to reply if you're clinging to it? I'd rather just let you have it and carry on. But no, you seem personally affronted.

And yes, if the GM needs end of year interviews to make a decision, I feel that's a problem. There's no wall of silence between the GM and the team all year. He should have a pretty solid idea of what's going on. I think he should have the information he needs via watching this team all year.

Are you happy? We disagree, but it doesn't mean anyone is freaking out. Can we move on now, or do you feel the need to just hold on to this a big longer?

I'd place money on the latter...

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by nik-

Dude, you seem obsessed with me thinking this should be a quick decision equating to a tantrum. You're stuck on that narrative, what am I supposed to do by continuing to reply if you're clinging to it? I'd rather just let you have it and carry on. But no, you seem personally affronted.

And yes, if the GM needs end of year interviews to make a decision, I feel that's a problem. There's no wall of silence between the GM and the team all year. He should have a pretty solid idea of what's going on.

Are you happy? We disagree, but it doesn't mean anyone is freaking out. Can we move on now, or do you feel the need to just hold on to this a big longer?

If you seem especially put off by something and make claims things are useless, discussion on forums is predicated by backing that up with some kind of reasoning. Instead, what you said has equated to "I want it it happen now now now!"

You're the one who got upset people were questioning you and just stopped answering.

The only reason it's being brought up again is because you tossed out that "interviews are useless" witn no context.

As was pointed out a page ago, Treliving did player interviews and fired Hartley after, so there is really no cause for concern. But if you want to just blindly insist due diligence is useless, we can indeed move on, vehemently agreeing to disagree. That is now how professions work.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

If you seem especially put off by something and make claims things are useless, discussion on forums is predicated by backing that up with some kind of reasoning. Instead, what you said has equated to "I want it it happen now now now!"

You're the one who got upset people were questioning you and just stopped answering.

The only reason it's being brought up again is because you tossed out that "interviews are useless" witn no context.

As was pointed out a page ago, Treliving did player interviews and fired Hartley after, so there is really no cause for concern. But if you want to just blindly insist due diligence is useless, we can indeed move on, vehemently agreeing to disagree. That is now how professions work.

Except no one said that, which is what I'm addressing with suggesting you're pushing a narrative.

You so badly want that to have happened, but it didn't. Move on, it's ok.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by nik-

Except no one said that, which is what I'm addressing with suggesting you're pushing a narrative.

You so badly want that to have happened, but it didn't. Move on, it's ok.

The problem is you didn't really say anything, other than you think it needed to happen quickly while being super critical it hadn't happened within 48 hours suggesting the process of examining all factors and talking to players is "flawed".

I don't want anything to happen badly. You put forth an opinion without backing it up and then got angry several people took issue with it.

It's obvious that doesn't have any foundation, so yea, I'd say we're done here.

[bluck]

Man take it to PM guys

[MissTeeks]

Is it okay to got back to actual news in this thread and you guys can go have this fight in the 6 other threads that are already just bickering?

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/wors...se/c-297832010

It was extremely difficult to watch from the press box.

Desperately wanting to help his teammates push for a playoff berth late in the season, Sean Monahan was unable to help after being forced to miss the last three weeks of the campaign with a wrist injury that required surgery.

He then had three more surgeries for two hernias and a groin injury.

Despite battling various ailments all season, the 23-year-old centre still finished with a career high 64 points (31G, 33A).

"It sucks," Monahan said Monday. "You never want to be injured, especially during the end of the regular season. I was able to battle through all year with other injuries but once we got to 30 games left on the schedule it was a real grind and I had to take a step back.

"It's going to be a big summer for the group, as a whole, and myself to come back feeling 100% and ready to go for when the season starts."

"We had the group to do special something this year and it's on us as players," he said. "We underachieved and didn't perform during stretches that were important for us and, at the end, it came back to bite us."

"There were key games where we handed out points when we needed them. People would constantly say we outshot teams every night, but at the end of the day the only thing you want to is to get the two points and we didn't do that."

Monahan said he and his teammates are already eager to get back on the ice next fall to atone for this unexpected ending.

"We have a good core and a lot of great guys in the dressing room," he said. "When things don't go the way they should in the season, you have to be professional knowing that change could be coming and whatever happens we need to come back with the mindset that we have to be hungrier and push each other to be better on a daily basis."

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/bounce-back/c-297825746

Over the course of his lengthening stay in the 403, Mark Giordano has run the gamut.

From gut-wrenching, down-to-the-wire disappointments to earlier exits.

"This one, for me is the toughest," confessed the captain. "Maybe because it's the freshest. But I don't think that's exactly why.

"It's more because of the expectations we had for ourselves.

"This one hurts.

"We fully expected to be in a good spot right now. We liked our team from last year and added some key pieces.

"We had a real feeling there was a legit chance of not only being there but making some real noise once we got there.

"So to not even get in …"

"The feeling? One word?'' repeated defenceman Michael Stone. "I'd say disbelief. Certainly since we were officially eliminated, anyway. I don't know what to say. I really don't.

"We expected a lot better of ourselves.

"I wish I could pinpoint one or two things that flipped things around on us.

"I just think there were times we were capable of a lot more. And that's the hardest thing to accept."

As late as Feb. 4, remember, the Flames were nicely placed at 32-22-9 and battling for second place in the Pacific Division but struggled from there, going 5-13-1 the rest of the way, in part due to key injuries.

"We were shocked a few weeks ago when we started going through that tough stretch to put ourselves out of it,'' acknowledged Giordano.

"We didn't react well. And we just seemed to keep digging ourselves a deeper and deeper hole."

"Personally,'' said Giordano, reflectively, "you have to take stock of what you as an individual could've done better, be honest with yourself, and then the team makes (its) decisions.

"At the end of the day, there's a lot of things that went wrong at different times.

"But bottom line: We didn't get it done.

"And that's our job: To get it done."

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Agreed. This ordeal of hiding it is something that has to stop. Take a page from the NFL where they have to publically indicate it's a concussion, not a "upper body injury".

The whole injury reporting culture in the NHL in general needs to change. Keeping it a secret doesn't change the fact if the player is playing or not. And you have to figure the opposing teams would know what's hurting the player, or at least have a idea.

Didn't you see the Will Smith movie Upper Body Injury about the whole CTE controversy?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I'd place money on the latter...

GoJetsGo does it again.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by bluck

Man take it to PM guys

If GoJetsGo took all his battles to PM he'd only be able to post in PM's.

[MissTeeks]

[Travis Munroe]

I am sure Tre knows 80% one way or the other whether he is keeping his coach and supporting staff. Shy of something wild coming out in the exit interviews, it most likely stays that way. If he is leaning towards firing GG, I would be quite confident he has reached out to AVs camp to at least get a sense of what AV is looking for as a fit and whether or not Calgary would even have a chance. While waiting too long may have cost them a better coach in the past, there are still plenty of coaches who could become available and I am not sure AV should be at the top of our list.

I also take the pressers with a grain of salt. Tre can't come out and tell everyone he has a restriction on money that can be spent for a coach so get any big name coach out of everyone's mind or he can't respond to questions about players and say they are great and we are shopping him this off season... it is a very cliche speach and I am sure most teams in similar spots in the standings sound the same.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

I am sure Tre knows 80% one way or the other whether he is keeping his coach and supporting staff. Shy of something wild coming out in the exit interviews, it most likely stays that way.

From what I remember it did sound similar to the post season presser the year Hartley was let go. Also one in which he said a lot but in doing so very little.

However from what I recall, I think when he was ultimately let go he did say there was some feedback that helped the decision in the player interviews. Would have to dig for it, but it seems that generated some discussion too.

It will be very interesting to see if anything later leaks of what the current players think of GG. I have no doubt there will be some productive info in there in either case that's worth hearing before he pulls the trigger.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Tkachuk is the kind of player that, even if Gulutzan is back next year, makes you believe in this team.

If Gulutzan is back many many fans won't believe anything, they won't bother to watch.

[tvp2003]

Injuries to Monahan and Smith really killed our chances this year; silver lining is that all is not lost for next year.

I also don't think this means Gulutzan gets additional leash for his failure this year; instead, potential coaches should look at the Flames roster and see that there is a lot to work with. Expectations will be high, but its something that an established coach should hopefully be able to deal with.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by AC

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...ame-tire-fire/

At 4:35, the full quote is "I don't think you put Johnny Gaudreau or Sean Monahan in that category of guys that will do whatever it takes to win."

I mean Monahan was only 2nd in GWG and 2nd place is the first loser!

[GranteedEV]

Gully's solution to scoring one goal in most games is to defend better?