2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Gaudreau + Hamilton for Girioux, Voracek and Gostisbehere

The three best players to Calgary?

[Buck Murdock]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The three best players to Calgary?

Soo....you're saying we might have to add Hanowski?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Soo....you're saying we might have to add Hanowski?

But it would need to happen now for it to make sense.

So say we all. Amen.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Disagree entirely. It's not Frtlands skillset that's the issue. It's consistency or the lack of it. And I'll add his on ice awareness is just plain bad. If you got Good Ferland for half a season things wouldn't be an issue, and even then making him top line RW is just another stop Gap in a line of stop gaps along with Brouwer (that's what he was signed for and played on their line until it was clear it was a long over do mistake), Colborne.

Once again we made into an offseason full of ever hopeful Ferland fans and once again we have all been left wanting. And once again we will read about how he is the answer when it's clear he is not.

Bad Ferland is the worst player on the team. Good Ferland is exactly what everyone wants him to be because we have seen it. But he never solved his consistency issues.

If he stays this offseason, the plan better be to have him slot in the bottom six where he should have always been. And nowhere near the Gaudreau line.

I guess we agree to disagree. Completely.

[Kybb79]

So a guy that makes 1.75 Million a season is the scapegoat around here? He put up 20 goals but it's not his fault he was playing injured for awhile. This team has way bigger problems than Ferly. Not his fault this team has no depth.

[Poe969]

He's not saying Ferland is the problem, he's just not the solution. He should not be on the top line. Ferland would be a great 3-4 line guy, he's just not good enough to be a top line guy. Sure, he scored 20 but most were because of who he played with. Imagine getting a legit top line RW, he'd probably put up more than 20 and could make the other 2 better instead of having the other 2 carry the RW.

Ferland isn't the problem, the lack of anything resembling a top 6 RW and not having enough top 6 guys to put the puck in the net is the problem.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

So a guy that makes 1.75 Million a season is the scapegoat around here? He put up 20 goals but it's not his fault he was playing injured for awhile. This team has way bigger problems than Ferly. Not his fault this team has no depth.

At some point we have to be okay with criticizing inconsistent individuals, no matter their pay, when the team’s biggest problem is an inconsistent work ethic/execution...otherwise how do you fix the problem?

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

See, I think he is good offensively but his compete and defensive focus too spotty.

I can’t disagree. I wanna see more battle out of him too but I don’t think it’s there. He’s Sergei gonchar, which is still an important piece to have. He has the body to be pronger, but not the desire.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At some point we have to be okay with criticizing inconsistent individuals, no matter their pay, when the team’s biggest problem is an inconsistent work ethic/execution...otherwise how do you fix the problem?

This. Just I don't just a Stajan based on salary but rather how well he plays as a fourth line centre, I have to judge Ferland as a first liner. I assume he wants to be there and isn't just thrust there against his will.

Salary isn't an issue to me until it affects the deals a team can do.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This. Just I don't just a Stajan based on salary but rather how well he plays as a fourth line centre, I have to judge Ferland as a first liner. I assume he wants to be there and isn't just thrust there against his will.



Salary isn't an issue to me until it affects the deals a team can do.

But Stajan’s salary does effect the deals that Calgary can do.

For the price of Stajan, Calgary should be able to fund a very good fourth line.

Instead, Stajan contributed to Calgary’s bottom 6 being consistently out played.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Camronius]

Originally Posted by Poe969

He's not saying Ferland is the problem, he's just not the solution. He should not be on the top line. Ferland would be a great 3-4 line guy, he's just not good enough to be a top line guy. Sure, he scored 20 but most were because of who he played with. Imagine getting a legit top line RW, he'd probably put up more than 20 and could make the other 2 better instead of having the other 2 carry the RW.

Ferland isn't the problem, the lack of anything resembling a top 6 RW and not having enough top 6 guys to put the puck in the net is the problem.

I agree with your second paragraph. Ferland is not the problem. In fact I think it would be fine if he stayed on the top line. The real problem imo opinion is the 2nd line, if we drop backlund and frolik to the third and found an answer to play at the same level as tkachuk, that’s when we become a contender. In that scenario, on all 3 lines, the 2nd winger is moot.

This isn’t supposed to be a comment on obtaining Tavares as a reality, however for the purpose of making a point look at;

Johnny-Mony-x
Tkachuk-Tavares-x
x-Backlund-Frolik
x-x-x

In my opinion it’s Bennet that is the problem... he’s the one that by all accounts was supposed to be that guy. Alternatively if you found a grade A winger, he would also go on the 2nd line and Frolik would drop. Again just for illustration purposes;

Johnny-Mony-x
Tkachuk-Backlund-Kane
x-Janko-Frolik
x-x-x

While Option B is better than what we have now, Option A is by far the better scenario. Love backs but I think we need another stud center. It solves all problems including more appropriate guns for the PP, which outside of Johnny, Mony and Ktachuk we are missing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Gaudreau + Hamilton for Girioux, Voracek and Gostisbehere

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The three best players to Calgary?

Actually the Flyers win that trade by a land slide when salary and age of players is considered. I would vomit if Treliving made such a trade.

[Enoch Root]

No kidding. That would be a disastrous trade for the Flames (despite the talented players coming back).

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Actually the Flyers win that trade by a land slide when salary and age of players is considered. I would vomit if Treliving made such a trade.

What if the deal brought a cup or two to Calgary before the cap/age issues become relevant?

Tkachuk / Monahan / Giroux
??? / Backlund / Voracek
Bennett / Jankowski / ???
??? / Shore / Hathaway

Giordano / Brodie
Gostisbehere / Hamonic
??? / Andersson

Smith
???

Depending on how you fill those question marks, that looks like a real good team...

I'd take a decade of cap hell if they manage to get a cup all day.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But Stajan’s salary does effect the deals that Calgary can do.

For the price of Stajan, Calgary should be able to fund a very good fourth line.

Instead, Stajan contributed to Calgary’s bottom 6 being consistently out played.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

They could have both paid Stajan and funded a very good fourth line. That's my point. They weren't prevented from playing a "very good fourth line" because Stajan was on the final year of a $3m deal.

They were also not prevented from getting a very good first line winger because of Stajan's salary.

This is not an argument about whether Stajan wasn't a good 4C. He wasn't for the first half and then I'd argue he was just fine. It's about whether his salary makes any kind of difference to the analysis. It doesn't. If he made league minimum I'd look at him the same way.

BTW, the bottom 6 issues were far more about the third line than the fourth imo.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They could have both paid Stajan and funded a very good fourth line. That's my point. They weren't prevented from playing a "very good fourth line" because Stajan was on the final year of a $3m deal.



They were also not prevented from getting a very good first line winger because of Stajan's salary.



This is not an argument about whether Stajan wasn't a good 4C. He wasn't for the first half and then I'd argue he was just fine. It's about whether his salary makes any kind of difference to the analysis. It doesn't. If he made league minimum I'd look at him the same way.



BTW, the bottom 6 issues were far more about the third line than the fourth imo.

Any way you look at it, and extra $3M to a cap team makes a difference.

That could have been spent in many different ways. Perhaps an actual back up goalie at the start of the year?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Actually the Flyers win that trade by a land slide when salary and age of players is considered. I would vomit if Treliving made such a trade.

The Flames are getting 3 players for 2, that makes it a huge win.

And the Ghost is only 24 and can run a PP like no one in Calgary can.

I think you are seriously underrating the Flyers players. Or perhaps seriously overrating the Flames players.




Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Flames are getting 3 players for 2, that makes it a huge win.

And the Ghost is only 24 and can run a PP like no one in Calgary can.

I think you are seriously underrating the Flyers players. Or perhaps seriously overrating the Flames players.




Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Agreed. The Flyers would be the ones scoffing at that trade

[Cortez]

Why the F does anyone want to trade Gaudreau? Why? Just stop with the ridiculous trade proposals. Everyone on this board will benefit from it

[jayswin]

Cortez the -trade proposal- killer.