[Signing] Coyotes re-sign Raanta (3 yrs, $4.25 mil AAV)

[sureLoss]

per the Coyotes beat writer

Craig Morgan @craigsmorgan
I am hearing that the Coyotes are close to finalizing a new contract for goaltender Antti Raanta. I do not have term or dollars yet.


http://arizonasports.com/story/14892...nta-extension/

[TheScorpion]

Not a surprise. Yotes could be pretty good soon, especially if Raanta plays the whole season.

[Jordan!]

Hope he figures out why he’s getting hurt and targets off season training to address it. Praying this is true.

He’s been like Kipper in his prime for us

[Iceman90]

I said on Fireside Chat last off season that I hoped the Flames would make a move to try and acquire Raanta.

[Ozy_Flame]

If that is his rumored contract, I would say that is very fair and on the side of a good deal. He is only 28 and goalies usually don't get great until their late 20's. This could work out really well for Arizona.

Don't look now, but it seems Chayka is starting to build a pretty strong team down there.

[Incogneto]

I think that is a steal of a deal. Raanta has been one of the best goalies in the league the last 1/3. Tons of potential.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

If that is his rumored contract, I would say that is very fair and on the side of a good deal. He is only 28 and goalies usually don't get great until their late 20's. This could work out really well for Arizona.

Don't look now, but it seems Chayka is starting to build a pretty strong team down there.

Can we please remind a section of CP of this fact before we throw Gillies out with the bath water at the end of the season. Quite a few seem to ready to give up on him already, ignoring the fact that goalies develop and hit their prime later.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie

Antti Raanta’s three-year extension with ARI has an AAV of $4.25M.

[Strange Brew]

I would take him at that price.

[ComixZone]

He’s better than our starting goalie. So, in the Pacific Division where do we rank on starting goalies?

1. LA
2. Vegas
3. Anaheim
4. San Jose
5. Arizona
6. Calgary
7. Edmonton
8. Vancouver

It’s hard to look at the Flames in comparison to the rest of the Pacific Division and not think that Treliving has failed to address the goalie position.

[Iceman90]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s hard to look at the Flames in comparison to the rest of the Pacific Division and not think that Treliving has failed to address the goalie position.

Not for a lack of trying. A Smith/Lack pair on paper looked better than an Elliott/Johnson pair last year, in my opinion. The big question is when do we believe our young goalies are ready to be starters, and how much should the Flames give up to get a 'stop gap' until then?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Iceman90

Not for a lack of trying. A Smith/Lack pair on paper looked better than an Elliott/Johnson pair last year, in my opinion. The big question is when do we believe our young goalies are ready to be starters, and how much should the Flames give up to get a 'stop gap' until then?

Yeah, next year is the year we should be playing Gillies 30-40 games in my opinion. I think he has what it takes, but needs to develop his craft at the NHL level.

He’s definitely tried, and everything he’s done has been a half-measure as he waits for his young goalies to develop. So it’s time to really go with one of them in a meaningful way.

[ricardodw]

so much depends on philosophy of management. last summer the Flames were planning on a 1st round series starting in Calgary.

Hamonic, Stone, Smith, Lack moves all said that the time was now.

This coming year it looks to be back to rebuilding mode. We will see if the Flames unload a "good" veteran for a high level prospect or draft pick.

If so Gillies and/or Rittich need to get some time as a #1 goalie. There is little chance that they will be good enough to get the Flames into the playoffs, but then the team would have been a lot more lucky to make the playoffs with Smith (even if he didn't get injured).

The target year for the Flames to be in the Playoffs is 2019-20

Then Foo Dube Valimaki Anderssen, Phillips will be rookies and Gillies will be a mid range NHL level starter. Bouwer, Frolik, Stone, Hamonic will be on the last year of their contract so will play better and/or be a lot more tradeable/moveable.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He’s better than our starting goalie. So, in the Pacific Division where do we rank on starting goalies?

1. LA
2. Vegas
3. Anaheim
4. San Jose
5. Arizona
6. Calgary
7. Edmonton
8. Vancouver

It’s hard to look at the Flames in comparison to the rest of the Pacific Division and not think that Treliving has failed to address the goalie position.

A lot changes season to season for a variety of factors that makes tossing out a list like this and trying to present it as concrete pretty futile.

A year ago Talbot might have pushed the top of this list now he's near the bottom.


When you take a look at what's happened lately and pass it off as the way things are it couldn't be anymore disingenuous.

Raanta looks good, but until there's a bigger sample size playing hockey that isn't meaningless where everyone's sleeping on your horrible team, I'd hold off on declaring the grass is definitely greener.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He’s better than our starting goalie. So, in the Pacific Division where do we rank on starting goalies?

1. LA
2. Vegas
3. Anaheim
4. San Jose
5. Arizona
6. Calgary
7. Edmonton
8. Vancouver

It’s hard to look at the Flames in comparison to the rest of the Pacific Division and not think that Treliving has failed to address the goalie position.

I think Treliving addressed the immediate goalie requirement quite well. Mike Smith is not this team's problem at all. The team let him down big time. If the Flames had Gibson, Jones, Quick, or Fleury in net, I don't think the team's results would've been much better. Conversely, if Smith played for Anaheim, I have no doubt that they would still be in a playoff position.

I think every team in the division except Vancouver has a #1 goalie who could be interchangeably ranked 1-7. There's no Carey Price or Miikka Kiprusoff in the division. Talbot was bad this year, but you can't forget what he accomplished last year. Raanta put up amazing numbers considering the garbage team he was on this season.

The long term goalie solution is not established though.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

A lot changes season to season for a variety of factors that makes tossing out a list like this and trying to present it as concrete pretty futile.

A year ago Talbot might have pushed the top of this list now he's near the bottom.


When you take a look at what's happened lately and pass it off as the way things are it couldn't be anymore disingenuous.

Raanta looks good, but until there's a bigger sample size playing hockey that isn't meaningless where everyone's sleeping on your horrible team, I'd hold off on declaring the grass is definitely greener.

You have to look at it year to year though, as that’s what you’re competing against.

Consider that list if Talbot hadn’t fallen off a cliff unexpectedly. The Flames would be 2nd last.

In a vacuum, the Flames have seen marginal improvements in goaltending year over year, but what an utterly wasteful way to view things. You’re in competition with your division, directly.

Smith was a worthwhile shot as a stop gap, but perhaps the number of games played was just too much for him to handle at his age - which is why I’d want them to work Gillies into the fold significantly next year. May help maximize Smith’s performances as well while actively developing Gillies.

Mike Smith’s performance after the all-star game, prior to his injury, was unacceptable.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie

Antti Raanta’s three-year extension with ARI has an AAV of $4.25M.

Nice, Goaltender deals over 3 years in term are iffy. This is perfect

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Consider that list if Talbot hadn’t fallen off a cliff unexpectedly. The Flames would be 2nd last.

This shoots your entire argument in the foot.

I won't consider it, because that's exactly why what you're saying here is futile and unproductive... especially when it's trying to validate a young, unproven goalie over a 1/3 season sample size playing meaningless hockey.

Talbot played a full season and two playoff rounds looking very good and fell off a cliff. But we're supposed to accept your assertion the Coyotes have better goaltending because a green starter played well for 4 months under zero pressure?

Not buying it.

[gamesaver]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, next year is the year we should be playing Gillies 30-40 games in my opinion. I think he has what it takes, but needs to develop his craft at the NHL level.

He’s definitely tried, and everything he’s done has been a half-measure as he waits for his young goalies to develop. So it’s time to really go with one of them in a meaningful way.

Based on Gillies win ratio, you are saying we will be missing the playoffs 2nd straight year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

Based on Gillies win ratio, you are saying we will be missing the playoffs 2nd straight year.

Because player development doesn’t occur year over year and actively during the season?

Because Gillies was the reason why those games went down as losses?