2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dino7c]

Jets haven't won a playoff game in franchise history and their window is open...they just traded a first for a rental

Flames are an 80+ point team with the worst RW depth and bottom 6 depth in the NHL. Seems reasonable to think if they Shore up those areas (no pun) they could be a pretty solid team.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

4 potentially elite players on great contracts signed while they are improving (Tre magic to come with Tkachuks), with money to spend to fill out the rest of the roster.

Sorry, we spent that all on Troy "There were a thousand red flags but we blew it on him anyways" Brouwer and Michael "I hold my stick with the other hand coach!" Stone.

I agree that we have the nucleus of a contender. But Burke and Treliving waste a lot of money on bad depth (thereby leaving none for good depth).

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Sorry, we spent that all on Troy "There were a thousand red flags but we blew it on him anyways" Brouwer and Michael "I hold my stick with the other hand coach!" Stone.

I agree that we have the nucleus of a contender. But Burke and Treliving waste a lot of money on bad depth (thereby leaving none for good depth).

Brouwer is at most a minor inconvenience. They have plenty of cap space to bring in a top 6 winger. And plenty of defensive assets to make a trade.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Brouwer is at most a minor inconvenience.

The team's worst yet oft-used penalty killer and least effective yet oft-used power play option, while being a royal mess 5v5 when not playing a soft 4th line role, is more than a minor inconvenience when his contract dollars essentially preclude him from being demoted to the AHL and the letter on his Jersey precludes him from being sat deservedly in thw press box.

I mean ffs Tanner Glass is a beter PKer

[SportsJunky]

I've made a lot of excuses for Brouwer but he looked bad last night. GG continues to rely on him when he has shown, far too often, that he isn't to be relied upon.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The team's worst yet oft-used penalty killer and least effective yet oft-used power play option, while being a royal mess 5v5 when not playing a soft 4th line role, is more than a minor inconvenience when his contract dollars essentially preclude him from being demoted to the AHL and the letter on his Jersey precludes him from being sat deservedly in thw press box.

I mean ffs Tanner Glass is a beter PKer

Almost all of these examples look like a coaching issue to me.

He isn’t good. He shouldn’t be playing as much as he is. But he is far from the reason this team isn’t succeeding.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Brouwer is at most a minor inconvenience. They have plenty of cap space to bring in a top 6 winger.

He's more then a minor inconvenience. Show your work...
find enough money to sign a top six winger (a legit one... not another Brouwer) fill out the bottom of the roster with quality depth, and have say 6ish million left over starting in 2019-2020 for Tkachuk while staying under the cap. The excess cap space spent on Brouwer, Stajan, and Stone are the reason our depth was so ####ty and our depth was a major reason for the teams downfall. Stajan is gone next year but his money is instantly gobbled up by raises to Backlund and RFA's.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Parallex

He's more then a minor inconvenience. Show your work...
find enough money to sign a top six winger (a legit one... not another Brouwer) fill out the bottom of the roster with quality depth, and have say 6ish million left over starting in 2019-2020 for Tkachuk while staying under the cap. The excess cap space spent on Brouwer, Stajan, and Stone are the reason our depth was so ####ty and our depth was a major reason for the teams downfall. Stajan is gone next year but his money is instantly gobbled up by raises to Backlund and RFA's.

I feel like this should be sticky-ed. The Flames have a TON of cap space going forward.

$80 million cap
Top 6 forward $6.5 million per (Kane for example)
RFA's signed to modest increases

Leaves us about $4.0-5.0 million in cap space for next year without trading away one of the top 5 Dmen, any of which could be traded to clear cap space if one of the young D are ready.

Not to mention Brouwer could be bought out as well, which would net another $3.5 million of cap space.

Gaudreau (6.750) - Monahan (6.375) - Ferland (1.750)
Tkachuk (0.925) - Backlund (5.350) - Frolik (4.300)
E. Kane (6.500) - Jankowski (1.500) - Bennett (1.950)
C. Lazar (0.950) - N. Shore (0.750) - Hathaway (0.75)

Brouwer (4.500)

Giordano (6.750) - Hamilton (5.750)
TJ Brodie (4.650) - Hamonic (3.857)
B. Kulak (0.975) - Stone (3.500)

Andersson (0.755)


Smith (4.250)
Rittich (0.975)


Cap Hit - $74.717
Space - $5.282


One thing the Flames do have is plenty of cap flexibility, mainly because Tre was able to lock up all the key pieces to long term deals under $7 million.

[Scroopy Noopers]

^ Now THAT is showing your work.

[Toonage]

Yep. The money works for next season that they could extend Tkachuk at $6M, get a vet backup at around $4M and fit in a top 6 RW for $6M. Theres a number of different scenarios in which they can improve and afford to do so.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau (6.750) - Monahan (6.375) - Ferland (1.750)
Tkachuk (0.925) - Backlund (5.350) - Frolik (4.300)
E. Kane (6.500) - Jankowski (1.500) - Bennett (1.950)
C. Lazar (0.950) - N. Shore (0.750) - Hathaway (0.75)

Brouwer (4.500)

Giordano (6.750) - Hamilton (5.750)
TJ Brodie (4.650) - Hamonic (3.857)
B. Kulak (0.975) - Stone (3.500)

Andersson (0.755)


Smith (4.250)
Rittich (0.975)

Kane could be a nice addition next year but Holy Hell the RW position is terrible on this team. Just brutal. Ferland cannot be the top line RW next season. They have to bring in someone. Treliving could overpay for a UFA this summer but I'd rather see them trade a Dman for a RW in his prime.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I feel like this should be sticky-ed. The Flames have a TON of cap space going forward.

$80 million cap
Top 6 forward $6.5 million per (Kane for example)
RFA's signed to modest increases

Leaves us about $4.0-5.0 million in cap space for next year without trading away one of the top 5 Dmen, any of which could be traded to clear cap space if one of the young D are ready.

Not to mention Brouwer could be bought out as well, which would net another $3.5 million of cap space.

Gaudreau (6.750) - Monahan (6.375) - Ferland (1.750)
Tkachuk (0.925) - Backlund (5.350) - Frolik (4.300)
E. Kane (6.500) - Jankowski (1.500) - Bennett (1.950)
C. Lazar (0.950) - N. Shore (0.750) - Hathaway (0.75)

Brouwer (4.500)

Giordano (6.750) - Hamilton (5.750)
TJ Brodie (4.650) - Hamonic (3.857)
B. Kulak (0.975) - Stone (3.500)

Andersson (0.755)


Smith (4.250)
Rittich (0.975)


Cap Hit - $74.717
Space - $5.282


One thing the Flames do have is plenty of cap flexibility, mainly because Tre was able to lock up all the key pieces to long term deals under $7 million.

I see a lot of player movement this off-season atleast 2 forwards and maybe 2 defensemen traded.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Kane could be a nice addition next year but Holy Hell the RW position is terrible on this team. Just brutal. Ferland cannot be the top line RW next season. They have to bring in someone. Treliving could overpay for a UFA this summer but I'd rather see them trade a Dman for a RW in his prime.

I'm hoping the same to be honest.

Brodie for a legit top 6 winger with term left, preferably a right hand shot. Then go after Kane or JVR. Legit 20 goal guys who could put up around 30 in an up year.

Now you have some weapons and depth up front.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

^ Now THAT is showing your work.

All he did was add Kane to the depth chart and make an optimistic projection on the cap.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Parallex

All he did was add Kane to the depth chart and make an optimistic projection on the cap.

All reports indicate a $78-82 million cap.

Not optimistic, realistic.

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[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

All reports indicate a $78-82 million cap.

Not optimistic, realistic.

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Even assuming Gary's rosy projections are accurate I think it'll be closer to 78 given the PA's desire to tackle escrow. Regardless if there is a big cap bump they'll be a corresponding inflationary bump in UFA salaries.

And the only thing you did was swap Versteeg for Kane at LW... so you didn't address RW, made no other depth improvements, and didn't leave much wiggle room (unless you want to cheap out on starting goaltender) to extend Tkachuk.

The Flames aren't completely ####ed with the cap but they're not in a great position either.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Parallex

The Flames aren't completely ####ed with the cap but they're not in a great position either.

Right. An inconvenience.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Right. An inconvenience.

But IMO not a minor one.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Even assuming Gary's rosy projections are accurate I think it'll be closer to 78 given the PA's desire to tackle escrow. Regardless if there is a big cap bump they'll be a corresponding inflationary bump in UFA salaries.

And the only thing you did was swap Versteeg for Kane at LW... so you didn't address RW, made no other depth improvements, and didn't leave much wiggle room (unless you want to cheap out on starting goaltender) to extend Tkachuk.

The Flames aren't completely ####ed with the cap but they're not in a great position either.

What I did was added a top 6 winger like you said. Put him where you want, it doesn't matter. Swap him out with Ferland.

After that I brought back the RFA's with realistic cap numbers.

I then used a realistic projection for the salary cap, of course you extimate the low end of that because it fits your narrative. I went right to the mid-point of the NHLs estimated 2018/19 salary cap.

And after all that there is $5 million to play with without even dealing a Dman or buying out Brouwer. I showed my work and proved we have a lot of wiggle room to improve the depth on the roster.

Why can't people ever just admit they may have been mistaken on here?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Parallex

All he did was add Kane to the depth chart and make an optimistic projection on the cap.

Or ... displayed the entire roster for next season with an expensive addition.

What other work could he show?

That's pretty weak.

Sure doesn't pay to get in the way of the glass half empty crowd around here these days.