[PGT] Kings 3 Flames 0

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

zamler stop making PGTs. Every time you do, the following game is an embarrassing spanking.

Looking at the last six games it appears that every single one of us needs to stop posting, when we do the Flames lose!

[zamler]

Slowest death to a failed season ever.

[djsFlames]

Man, at the very least I was hoping for a Fox signing, then to see him come up and dance around the Oilers to at least give us something to end the season with.

This season has been the ultimate #### you to the fans of this team.

[dammage79]

Bennett is too young to be called a bust. We will see what happens next season if a new coaching staff is here. If Gully and company return, then we can start worrying.

[JurassicTunga12]

Flames did not score a goal like I had hoped before I left.
Man oh man. The offensive game is dire.

[JohnnyO]

Once a team is officially eliminated from qualifying for the playoffs, the call up rule should be dropped for them. That would be a decent rule change.

[mrdonkey]

Man, the Islanders must be loving this. They're gonna get some spectacular picks.

Just nothing to be happy about right now.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yes, thank you.

Let's be careful to not throw everyone under the bus just yet. Lots of problems that are behind the scenes that we have no idea about. We still like the players on this team, right?




Right????

Some of them, yes. I like Backlund, but I like him a whole lot less at $5.3mil AAV.

This team falls in love with its own players a bit too much if you ask me.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by JohnnyO

Once a team is officially eliminated from qualifying for the playoffs, the call up rule should be dropped for them. That would be a decent rule change.

Disagree.
They're still playing other teams that are in playoff races, so skewing with rosters that much isn't fair to the teams playing them.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Bennett is too young to be called a bust. We will see what happens next season if a new coaching staff is here. If Gully and company return, then we can start worrying.

Another reason why bringing in an experienced coach would be extremely helpful. Help get Bennett on track to being an impact player by 23/24. I don't think GG hindered him necessarily, because opportunities were (eventually) given, but I also don't think GG helped further Bennett's development or helped him cultivate a role out of his raw skills.

We need someone that has a history of helping these sort of young players find success and utilizing them to their strengths.

Bringing in a coach to 'learn alongside the team' was a terrible idea from the outset. Get the guy that's familiar with it all and doesn't have to handle his own development on top of an already challenging task.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Another reason why bringing in an experienced coach would be extremely helpful. Help get Bennett on track to being an impact player by 23/24. I don't think GG hindered him necessarily, because opportunities were (eventually) given, but I also don't think GG helped further Bennett's development or helped him cultivate a role out of his raw skills.

We need someone that has a history of helping these sort of young players find success and utilizing them to their strengths.

Bringing in a coach to 'learn alongside the team' was a terrible idea from the outset. Get the guy that's familiar with it all and doesn't have to handle his own development on top of an already challenging task.

This is the thing too - different coaches get different things out of players.

It's why I'm not sold on trading Brodie either.

...this off-season is going to be really exciting. The part we're in right now is beyond painful, but I believe Treliving is going to do some significant business this summer. I'm excited to see what happens.

[djsFlames]

Brodie just needs to be utilized properly. To be somewhat sheltered I guess. And not forced to form chemistry with someone he clearly doesn't possess it with. And AT LEAST tried on his historically stronger side again.

There were options that weren't even attempted by GG...

If you can help fix the RW by dealing him though, I think you have to look at it still.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Brodie just needs to be utilized properly. To be somewhat sheltered I guess. And not forced to form chemistry with someone he clearly doesn't possess it with. And AT LEAST tried on his historically stronger side again.

If you can help fix the RW by dealing him though, I think you have to look at it still.

Agreed. If we keep Brodie though, I’ll still be excited to see him under a new coach. A transition back to RD may be required, but then we get into whether or not we have that roster spot available.

I wonder if Valimaki could be Hamonic’s “guy” partner-wise. The mix with Brodie clearly isn’t there.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Some of them, yes. I like Backlund, but I like him a whole lot less at $5.3mil AAV.

This team falls in love with its own players a bit too much if you ask me.

On the flip side, this team (by the fans I assume you meant?) is far too hard on a player when they hit a rough patch or a cold stretch. See: any Flame player this year. Hell, we just finished a bunch of fan-proposed trades to ship out Monahan, Gaudreau, Hamilton, Brodie, and Giordano. Do more than 1 of those things and you're talking rebuild and a terrible team.

Quite frankly, I don't put much stock in what happens over a short course of games, I look at the season overall and progress from season to season. If the criticism is "Backlund wasn't as good as last year", then I can agree with that to a certain extent. If the criticism is "Backlund sucks now that he got paid", then I think that's total B.S. and we worry far too much about value of a contract. You can't control what the market allows, and you can't trade away every player the minute they reach a level that allows them to get paid properly, or perhaps a little more than they currently deserve to make up for previous underpayment. That's how it works in the NHL and we have to stop worrying about every single dollar. Provided we aren't slammed up against the cap every year with no room to maneuver, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Is Backlund still a valuable player? You betcha. That's all that matters. We need to put a better supporting cast around our good players, and things should get better at that point.

Oh, and get a new coaching staff. This group is toast.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Do more than 1 of those things and you're talking rebuild and a terrible team.

The problem is that we are supposedly finished with our rebuild and... well... it IS a terrible team.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

The problem is that we are supposedly finished with our rebuild and... well... it IS a terrible team.

Its not a TERRIBLE team. Its a team on the bubble right now that has some very good young pieces in its core. Arizona is terrible. What Buffalo has dealt with for years is terrible

[Corral]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

Once again, same argument as Backlund from years ago.

Bennett was always ranked high on every scouts list and was going at that position, so it's a moot point to question our scouts on that decision in hindsight.

He can keep up with the speed and athleticism in the NHL, which is tough to do. Yes, his IQ doesn't seem as high and he isn't as physically immanent as he was in junior, but he is an NHL'er. Claiming he is not an NHL'er is like saying you'd rather have Glass, Stajan, or Stewart in the lineup before Bennett, which is an absolute joke. If Bennett fell off the wagon and gave up on hockey and can't even crack a lineup, then he's a bust, otherwise, he's simply not living up to expectations.

The fact that people can't grasp that players develop differently is so ridiculous.

Sure, but the point stands. Whiffing on your #4 overall pick - if it turns out to be such - is a major setback for the Flames and this group as a contender.

And there is LOTS of reasons besides Bennett to question the Flames scouting department. We are one of the worst at it. So if Bennett is a bust, no real surprise.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by colbym72

Its not a TERRIBLE team. Its a team on the bubble right now that has some very good young pieces in its core. Arizona is terrible. What Buffalo has dealt with for years is terrible

I guess that is a matter of opinion. Would you be comfortable icing this same lineup next season?

I suppose it comes down to "yes, a lot of talent that was wasted by bad coaching" or "no, despite the coaching, the team has major problems that prohibit it from playing like a contender".

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

On the flip side, this team (by the fans I assume you meant?) is far too hard on a player when they hit a rough patch or a cold stretch. See: any Flame player this year. Hell, we just finished a bunch of fan-proposed trades to ship out Monahan, Gaudreau, Hamilton, Brodie, and Giordano. Do more than 1 of those things and you're talking rebuild and a terrible team.

Quite frankly, I don't put much stock in what happens over a short course of games, I look at the season overall and progress from season to season. If the criticism is "Backlund wasn't as good as last year", then I can agree with that to a certain extent. If the criticism is "Backlund sucks now that he got paid", then I think that's total B.S. and we worry far too much about value of a contract. You can't control what the market allows, and you can't trade away every player the minute they reach a level that allows them to get paid properly, or perhaps a little more than they currently deserve to make up for previous underpayment. That's how it works in the NHL and we have to stop worrying about every single dollar. Provided we aren't slammed up against the cap every year with no room to maneuver, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Is Backlund still a valuable player? You betcha. That's all that matters. We need to put a better supporting cast around our good players, and things should get better at that point.

Oh, and get a new coaching staff. This group is toast.

Unfortunately in a salary capped world I have to raise my expectations for Backlund with his new salary. I agree he's a valuable player, but is that value worth $5.3mil? I don't think it is. I think he outperformed his last contract but does not live up to his new one.

And no, I did mean the team, not the fans. I'm strongly against trading players like Johnny, Monahan, and Hamilton. What I'm not opposed to, however, is trading a guy like Backlund (pre-extension while his value was still sky high) or dare I say even Giordano. I doubt the Predators wanted to trade Weber, but they made the hard decision to get younger and turn the team over to their young players and it's turned them from a bubble team into an elite franchise.

That doesn't necessarily mean I think the Flames should start shopping Giordano right away but when you look at his age and contract it might be best to move on sooner rather than later.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

I guess that is a matter of opinion. Would you be comfortable icing this same lineup next season?".

No but I didnt say that either. No one is saying there isn't spots to upgrade this team

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

I suppose it comes down to "yes, a lot of talent that was wasted by bad coaching" or "no, despite the coaching, the team has major problems that prohibit it from playing like a contender".

It can be both. It doesn't have to be so black and white. Yes the coaching on this team is a problem, especially in player usage and PP. But there is still a lot of accountability on the players. But this team isn't terrible.