was interesting to watch Columbine again on Netflix after several years, that is almost 20 years ago and nothing has changed and it has gotten worse. hope some common sense changes can finally hit home.
nothing will actually change until voters send a message...not holding my breath
It's gonna be really tough for them to keep the momentum going. November is a long ways off, and the news cycle changes almost daily, especially with Emperor Dotard in office. Changing the gun laws will no doubt be an extremely difficult, uphill climb. But if anyone can do it, I think it might be these kids.
Yep, before the mid terms how many school shootings will we experience, I mean probably almost none, there is a school filling buckets with rocks so the kids will be fine.
Over the weekend I watch the Ken Burns Prohibition documentary and it was interesting to see the similarities from the two sides in that wedge issue. A lot of the stubbornness to change from zero tolerance from the the anti-saloon side mirrors the NRA. The NRA game plan is right out of the anti-saloon playbook.
In the end their refusal to move from their extreme zero tolerance stance caused previous supporters to change sides and and rally against them. "Ballots are like bayonets".
It is interesting to see things play out in a similar fashion.
Over the weekend I watch the Ken Burns Prohibition documentary and it was interesting to see the similarities from the two sides in that wedge issue. A lot of the stubbornness to change from zero tolerance from the the anti-saloon side mirrors the NRA. The NRA game plan is right out of the anti-saloon playbook.
In the end their refusal to move from their extreme zero tolerance stance caused previous supporters to change sides and and rally against them. "Ballots are like bayonets".
It is interesting to see things play out in a similar fashion.
First of all, I'm a huge Ken Burns fan, but I hadn't heard of that documentary, so thanks for giving me something to look for.
I'm not a fan of the NRA or their playbook. Its funny that the NRA has gone from an organization that originally worked with the gun control way back in the day to the monstrosity that it is now.
I'm convinced that the road to gun control and controlling the NRA isn't ever going to happen through politics or votes in congress, but in terms of financial hits to the gun industry itself, if business dries up enough, I'm convinced that the NRA will soften as the primary public relations group for gun manufacturers.
If gun manufacturers were hurt enough by declining sales, you can bet that they would go into a full bore public relations effort around "We see your point".
Or I'm just dreaming.
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Some more "wisdom" from former senator Rik Santorum (for fun look up Dan Savage's definition of "Santorum" as a word) regarding the student rallies.
Do these guys realize what they're saying is completely idiotic, or did they get paid enough to ignore the pangs of human decency.
I guess personally, before I said such a thing, I would consider whether I would want people to think about that as they stood and talked or looked at me. I hope at least a few people close to him tells him what a idiot he is.
"They took action to ask someone to pass a law," he said of the demonstrators. "They didn't take action to say, 'How do I, as an individual, deal with this problem?
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"How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that"
First of all, I'm a huge Ken Burns fan, but I hadn't heard of that documentary, so thanks for giving me something to look for.
I'm not a fan of the NRA or their playbook. Its funny that the NRA has gone from an organization that originally worked with the gun control way back in the day to the monstrosity that it is now.
I'm convinced that the road to gun control and controlling the NRA isn't ever going to happen through politics or votes in congress, but in terms of financial hits to the gun industry itself, if business dries up enough, I'm convinced that the NRA will soften as the primary public relations group for gun manufacturers.
If gun manufacturers were hurt enough by declining sales, you can bet that they would go into a full bore public relations effort around "We see your point".
Or I'm just dreaming.
I think you are right that eventually it will be money that will talk. For the longest time the NRA has been able to rule the roost because they have been able to effectively prop up their supporters. At the end of the day having some restrictions that are being talked about are probably better for the manufacturers than having the pendulum swing even farther where they won't be brought to the table for discussion.
First of all, I'm a huge Ken Burns fan, but I hadn't heard of that documentary, so thanks for giving me something to look for.
I'm not a fan of the NRA or their playbook. Its funny that the NRA has gone from an organization that originally worked with the gun control way back in the day to the monstrosity that it is now.
I'm convinced that the road to gun control and controlling the NRA isn't ever going to happen through politics or votes in congress, but in terms of financial hits to the gun industry itself, if business dries up enough, I'm convinced that the NRA will soften as the primary public relations group for gun manufacturers.
If gun manufacturers were hurt enough by declining sales, you can bet that they would go into a full bore public relations effort around "We see your point".
Or I'm just dreaming.
I don't understand how that would play out. You'd think if gun sales were drying up, they would do whatever they could to drum up business by relaxing more and more restrictions. They would probably try to make it legal to have old west duels.
I'm convinced that the road to gun control and controlling the NRA isn't ever going to happen through politics or votes in congress, but in terms of financial hits to the gun industry itself, if business dries up enough, I'm convinced that the NRA will soften as the primary public relations group for gun manufacturers.
I agree with most of this. But I also think that voting out politicians who have sold their souls to the NRA in exchange for campaign donations will also help. Tough for the NRA to have control if they can't buy anyone. The ballot box will still play a big role in this.
I agree with most of this. But I also think that voting out politicians who have sold their souls to the NRA in exchange for campaign donations will also help. Tough for the NRA to have control if they can't buy anyone. The ballot box will still play a big role in this.
I don’t know that voting the Republican Party out of office entirely is a realistic solution
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That is the dilemma a lot of people face. They like to buy guns for hunting or hobbies amd also for protection in not so safe neighbourhoods. They hope to never have to use the gun on anyone but it's nice to know its there. But on the other hand they don't want to support gun manufacturers with a single penny of their money.
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I don't understand how that would play out. You'd think if gun sales were drying up, they would do whatever they could to drum up business by relaxing more and more restrictions. They would probably try to make it legal to have old west duels.
Sales at that volume is all about public perception. If they see that their future consumers (and there are kids in that group that will buy guns eventually) have a strong desire for both corporate responsibility and societal responsibility, the gun manufactures will create initiatives that will check those boxes.
Someone like the manufacturer would be really wise to do something like stating that they aren't going allow a larger magazine then 5 rounds to be used, or they're pulling the weapon off of the market in exchange for a different less destructive capable weapon.
They could do something like become really stringent with companies that manufacture add ons like Slide, that if they manufacture bump stocks and aren't licensed to manufacture accessories for their weapons that they will be sued into bankruptcy.
I think right now if gun manufacturers push to hard of freeing up restriction in the current environment that they will face a fairly large consumer backlash.
I personally think that the kid focusing on government is great, but can you imaging 5000 kids protesting outside of the Remington offices?
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I've already seen some idiots on Twitter claiming that these kids are nothing but pawns being controlled and manipulated by the Dems and gun control groups. It's all a big left-wing conspiracy. Hillary! Emails!
The media is massaging a story in order to push their own narrative?! My monocle popped straight into my chardonnay at the mere thought of such an outrageously absurd notion. Balderdash, I say, balderdash!
The media is massaging a story in order to push their own narrative?! My monocle popped straight into my chardonnay at the mere thought of such an outrageously absurd notion. Balderdash, I say, balderdash!
Yes. The media mobilized millions of people into marching against gun lunacy. That's clearly their agenda!
I swear self awareness is becoming rare these days
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Yes. The media mobilized millions of people into marching against gun lunacy. That's clearly their agenda!
I swear self awareness is becoming rare these days
So all concept of the media massaging events is to be thrown out entirely, or can only discussed when pushed into extreme hyperbole? The intelligent thing to do is to immediately push all nuance out of the discussion? It is possible to criticize the media without running straight into "Lizard people who control the world want your guns" territory.
