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Old 03-23-2018, 02:16 PM   #281
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So he's Jay Boumeester us what you're saying.
He does remind me of Jaybo in the sense that some Flames fans are clueless as to what we have.

Jaybo not good enough for the Flames...a year later playing for team Canada and winning gold with the greatest defence ever assembled.
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Oilers offer McDavid to the Flames for Frolik

CP "nah, Oilers suck that guy is not a winner and hasn't won anything. Frolik has a ring"
That's a gross oversimplification of the debate.
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Old 03-23-2018, 02:18 PM   #283
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Other than Tkachuk, no one should be untouchable.

Trading Johnny would make me very happy. I just don't like this team's identity. It's hard to cheer for... and is slowly killing my love of hockey.

Go get the major haul for Johnny from an eastern team looking to overpay. Heck, see what Johnny and Money together will fetch.
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Old 03-23-2018, 02:21 PM   #284
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Go get the major haul for Johnny from an eastern team looking to overpay. Heck, see what Johnny and Money together will fetch.
What they will fetch are players that aren't remotely as good as they are, and lottery tickets.

What you want is literally what losers do.
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What they will fetch are players that aren't remotely as good as they are, and lottery tickets.

What you want is literally what losers do.
Just look at the Oilers after getting pennies on the dollar for Hall and Eberle. Most would agree that roster would look much better today had they not made those trades but hey that's what Oilers fans wanted at the time and now they all are upset at the GM for following through with what they wanted. Most often when you give up the best player in the deal you in fact lose that deal and it's only a matter of how bad you lose the deal.
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I get that people are mad the Flames suck...but to blame our five good players and say they are not winners is dumb. Maybe we need more than 5 good players?
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Just look at the Oilers after getting pennies on the dollar for Hall and Eberle. Most would agree that roster would look much better today had they not made those trades but hey that's what Oilers fans wanted at the time and now they all are upset at the GM for following through with what they wanted. Most often when you give up the best player in the deal you in fact lose that deal and it's only a matter of how bad you lose the deal.
Or...

Instead of automatically just saying it's what the Oilers did, and call it a day... There are other examples out there.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2...asons_why.html
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Or...

Instead of automatically just saying it's what the Oilers did, and call it a day... There are other examples out there.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2...asons_why.html
Why does any of this apply to Gaudreau or Monahan?
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Old 03-23-2018, 02:40 PM   #289
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this has to be a joke. people are using the Carter and Richards trades as blueprints for success? ok then, Carter and Richards after leaving Philly: 2 cup rings each. everybody on the Flyers roster during the same period: big fat zero.

if you're going to make the argument for trading one of the league's best wingers, at least pick something that was an actual success story for the team that gave them away.
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this has to be a joke. people are using the Carter and Richards trades as blueprints for success? ok then, Carter and Richards after leaving Philly: 2 cup rings each. everybody on the Flyers roster during the same period: big fat zero.

if you're going to make the argument for trading one of the league's best wingers, at least pick something that was an actual success story for the team that gave them away.
This..

I cant believe people are seriously considering trading these two guys let alone one of them. Monahan and Gaudreau are criminally under rated and are on two of the top 10 value contracts in the entire league. Switch up the coaching staff; get them a top right wing goal scorer... that should be the priority.
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Or...

Instead of automatically just saying it's what the Oilers did, and call it a day... There are other examples out there.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2...asons_why.html
Yes, because the Flyers post Carter-Richards have been a shining example of a team.

Trade happened in 2012. They missed the playoffs 2013, eliminated first round 2014, missed in 2015, eliminated first round of 2016, and missed in 2017, after being contenders for the 5 ish years prior. I would say those trades made them significantly worse, as undoubtedly trading Monahan and Johnny would do to us.

Monahan has been injured for 4 months and still playing. I cannot understand the disrespect the dude gets out here. He has improved every season he has played.
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So Monahan needs multiple surgeries...what a quitter
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So Monahan needs multiple surgeries...what a quitter
Apparently one of the surgeries is a heart transplant if I've been following the discussion correctly.
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Would love to see the flames blow it up completely and start a 5 year rebuild
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Where did I say Hamilton has a muffin for a shot and a 30 point defenseman? They do share that quality of effortless skating and good size but it's like saying Gaudreau is Fleury because he's short and offensively skilled.
You didn't say that exactly, but that's the direction he leans towards and that direction doesn't get you far. What you have seen from Hamilton so far is his peak. It's hard to imagine him getting any better without a physical element in his game, and he's just not that guy. His contract is a good one for the team, but if changes need to be made that's the type of guy you start with. That's my opinion of course.
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Other than Tkachuk, no one should be untouchable.

Trading Johnny would make me very happy. I just don't like this team's identity. It's hard to cheer for... and is slowly killing my love of hockey.

Go get the major haul for Johnny from an eastern team looking to overpay. Heck, see what Johnny and Money together will fetch.
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Apparently one of the surgeries is a heart transplant if I've been following the discussion correctly.
Would thank multiple times if possible. Very clever!

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Team that struggles to score should trade their two highest scoring forwards, both of whom are under the age of 25. Not to mention both of them are signed long term to a total cap hit of not much more than what McDavid is about to make all by himself.

Yeah, that seems like a glorious ####ing idea.

Where do these dummies come from?

Stajan - 4 goals
Brouwer - 6 goals
Frolik - 10 goals
Hathaway - 2 goals
Lazar - 2 goals

These players are the ones who let this team down this year.
These players are the ones you need to upgrade on.

Not Monahan and Gaudreau.

We also need Bennett (11 goals) and Jankowski (13 goals) to take big steps forward next season.

Too many folks have been spending too much team reading the drivel from Francis puts out.
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Hey maybe first round picks can get us like a 90 point player!!!! Oh wait we have that. Maybe we can trade Johnny for magic beans and snake oil too
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Or...

Instead of automatically just saying it's what the Oilers did, and call it a day... There are other examples out there.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2...asons_why.html
And not a single point in that article applies to Johnny and Mony.
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