[Rumour] Friedman: Treliving looking to add a 1st for 2018 draft. Coyotes won't sign Hickey.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Jesus why re-quote everything? ... what a mess.

I thought soon after they traded for Hamonic and retained Stone that the plan was to ensure the roster was ready now (wasn't as it turned out) without rushing the young defenseman.

But when they were ready you could move veteran defenseman for picks to build a core further down the road.

I said it on the site many times.

Missing the playoffs, wasn't the plan, but you know that, not sure why you keep bring it up.

The 2015-17 drafts went well. That has given them a lot of prospect depth. When that happens you have a greater ability to move picks for the now, which they did.

So no I don't see it as a change in plans, I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. I've consistently thought this is what they had in mind, and if they exerecize the plan that I've imagined it isn't a retraction nor would I "safely assume" they have no plan at all.

lol, i'm sorry if that hurts your feelings is one step below you calling me a hysterical canucks fan.

[Hank Hill]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Please trade Hamilton for a top 5 pick.

Why would you trade Hamilton?
Top Dman in the league that is just coming into his own with his offensive game, great contract, great size and skating ability who wants to play here..
Even if you got a top 5 pick the odds of them becoming the player of Dougie's calibre is not guaranteed, not to mention having to wait all the time to develop.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Hank Hill

ship Brodie to the Leafs for their 2018 1st

Make it Gio and get 2018 1st, 2019 2nd + Nylander.

[Toonage]

Leafs aren't a good trade partner (have they ever been lol)

Babcock loves his R/L pairings as much as GG. Leafs have no need for a LHD

[868904]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Disagree, his grit level this year was as low as anyone elses. We haven't seen Vancouver series Ferland since....the Vancouver series.

And to be Frank, aside from his good two fiths of a season, he's been invisible even before his injury. And I HATE hid awareness on the ice.

It would be nice if Ferland had more of a mean streak. However, I haven't seen Gaudreau or Monahan take much crap this year because Ferland is always on the ice with them. That is enough for me especially if he keeps putting up 20 goals there. I really wonder what a guy like Darryl Sutter would be able to get out of Ferland; it might not be fun for Ferland, but he might get pushed into realizing his potential.

Ideally, they get another guy like Ferland who maybe isn't as skilled but who is more "expendable" for 5 minutes to really put the fear into the opposition. A guy with Hathaway's skillset but who could actually fight would be nice for the 4th line.

[Deelow]

Something tells me if Tre is going after a first it's going to a major top 3, Brady Tkachuk type of deal. Quite expensive one would think.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Hank Hill

Why would you trade Hamilton?
Top Dman in the league that is just coming into his own with his offensive game, great contract, great size and skating ability who wants to play here..
Even if you got a top 5 pick the odds of them becoming the player of Dougie's calibre is not guaranteed, not to mention having to wait all the time to develop.

Because he sucks defensively but he still probably has the most value.

Teams will think they can work on his defense and thus pay the premium for the offense and tools.

I've made my mind up that Hamilton will never be a Norris type or the lead guy on a top pairing. He is Seabrook to Gio's Keith right now and the sooner the Flames cash in on the perceived upside the better.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Please trade Hamilton for a top 5 pick.

That top five pick could be anything. Even a "Kreider"!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Deelow

Something tells me if Tre is going after a first it's going to a major top 3, Brady Tkachuk type of deal. Quite expensive one would think.

This is my inclination as well.

Can't risk the walkaway from this draft bieng the islanders drafting some amazing player and the flames not making a selection until the 90s.

Win now. Win with this core group. Add a bluechipper, push for the playoffs.

[the2bears]

A few mentions of Brady Tkachuk as a target with a top pick. Is he overrated though? I thought that was what some suggested, that he's trending higher than he should be because of Matthew.

[Funkhouser]

Any rationale as to why the Coyotes won't sign Hickey??
Is it a pre-emptive move to save face (e.g. he advised them he would go UFA)?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Please trade Hamilton for a top 5 pick.

Please explain how trading a top ten to twenty NHL 24 year old D , that is not
fully developed, for a top 5 draft pick will improve the Flames short term , intermediate and/ or long term.

Makes no sense to me, from a risk and reward standpoint.

[dammage79]

There's some crazy talent in the top five to ten of this draft. It's gonna take a hell of an offer to weasel in there.

Personally I'd take Zadina or Anderi Svechnikov if the Flames got up into that hemisphere.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by the2bears

A few mentions of Brady Tkachuk as a target with a top pick. Is he overrated though? I thought that was what some suggested, that he's trending higher than he should be because of Matthew.

He's definitely being overrated. Matthew's NHLe at all equivalent ages was much higher than Brady's.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Any rationale as to why the Coyotes won't sign Hickey??
Is it a pre-emptive move to save face (e.g. he advised them he would go UFA)?

Perhaps he was always going to sign with another team not the Flames or Yotes. Perhaps the Oilers? I recall him being a fan.

[Toonage]

Unless a team like the Canadiens wants to grab an NHL ready D-man like Brodie in exchange for their lottery pick, a top 10 entry for the Flames is not happening.

Thankfully Bergevin is a wildcard when it comes to deals so who knows right?

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by timbit

Please explain how trading a top ten to twenty NHL 24 year old D , that is not
fully developed, for a top 5 draft pick will improve the Flames short term , intermediate and/ or long term.

Makes no sense to me, from a risk and reward standpoint.

These knee-jerk reaction trades are what I'm afraid of going into the Summer. Getting a top 5 pick will demand a kings ransom and will set this team back 2/3 years in becoming a playoff contender again.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Disagree, his grit level this year was as low as anyone elses. We haven't seen Vancouver series Ferland since....the Vancouver series.

And to be Frank, aside from his good two fiths of a season, he's been invisible even before his injury. And I HATE hid awareness on the ice.

The other team at least knows he's there. He doesn't have to play like he did in the VAN series for his physical pressence to have an impact.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

These knee-jerk reaction trades are what I'm afraid of going into the Summer. Getting a top 5 pick will demand a kings ransom and will set this team back 2/3 years in becoming a playoff contender again.

I agree totally with this. all of treliving's dance partners knows he is on the sidelines for the first few rounds. nobody is going to help him out by trading a first rounder for a couple of complimentary pieces.

to me right now the only T4 d-man that we have that is tradeable is brodie and you would likely need more than him to get a first rounder.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm gonna get flamed, But I really think you can get a Kings ransom for Gaudreau from about 6 teams in the East. Tripping over themselves in an arms race. Does it hurt the Flames short term? yes. And as everyone will say, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. I get it. But I really think there's a massive overpayment out there for him.

I wonder if Jersey would do Hall for Johnny.