Id be tempted to give Tkachuk an A this year, and make it clear he is viewed as a leader, and not just a young guy anymore.
I could see him being a guy that wouldnt be afraid to make other players accountable.
When Backlund had an A, he was a beast. Played so well in every situation. Not sure why they took it away.
Gio with the C, Tkachuk, Backlund and Hamonick(sp) get the A.
Rebuild the bottom six with players who have speed and the ability to chip in offensively, instead of overpaid plugs like Brouwer and Stajan. Now isn't the time to blow it up and/or make (over)reactionary moves that could set this franchise back instead of moving it forward. Let's not make any Hall for Larsson or Eberle for Strome type deals this off season.
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Rebuild the bottom six with players who have speed and the ability to chip in offensively, instead of overpaid plugs like Brouwer and Stajan. Now isn't the time to blow it up and/or make (over)reactionary moves that could set this franchise back instead of moving it forward. Let's not make any Hall for Larsson or Eberle for Strome type deals this off season.
MORE CHARACTER GUYS! MORE PLUGS! MORE MEAT AND POTATOES!
Let's following the aspiring plan than the Oilers set out on.
I realize this organization has been doing things wrong for decades and just thought things wouldn't be like this under Treliving. I thought he would represent the new wave of GM's like Yzerman that have a plan and stick to it. It feels like he's been possessed by the ghost of Darryl Sutter the GM.
The President of Hockey Operations has been here for half a decade. If his influence was as large as implied, we'd already have more "meat and potatoes" guys than we do now.
If the flames trade a core player as part of a component of getting back into the first round I think we can all safely assume there is no plan, there is no process and there is no hope for a competitive roster moving forward.
Considering I posted they would consider doing this just yesterday, I'm inclined towards there being no plan.
I get the despair and disappointment, but I'm always amazed how quickly people take things to the ditch.
Safely assume?
From your keyboard you can safely assume what is going on with the Flames GM and hockey operations based on the move of an unknown core player for a first round pick?
We can't safely assume anything.
First off that may not be true, or it might be true but part of a bigger conversation that has other GMs guessing and telling Friedman what they think.
However if part of the core is on the move.
The Flames as a group my have decided the time to move part of the defensive core to make room for the emerging core is now, so they're kicking tires on moving pieces (Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie, Hamonic) for forwards that can step in or futures, or packages that contain both.
Maybe they like Brodie for a 1st, Stone for a 3rd and promote Valimaki and Andersson.
But safely assume is such an over step based on literally nothing.
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The President of Hockey Operations has been here for half a decade. If his influence was as large as implied, we'd already have more "meat and potatoes" guys than we do now.
Beyond acquisitions of the character guys mentioned in this thread, we also traded a 3rd round pick for Bollig and used a 2nd round pick on Hunter Smith.
The President of Hockey Operations has been here for half a decade. If his influence was as large as implied, we'd already have more "meat and potatoes" guys than we do now.
Stajan
Brouwer
Hathaway
Glass
Bartkowski
Lazar
Stewart
Shore
Hmm...
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I get the despair and disappointment, but I'm always amazed how quickly people take things to the ditch.
Safely assume?
From your keyboard you can safely assume what is going on with the Flames GM and hockey operations based on the move of an unknown core player for a first round pick?
We can't safely assume anything.
First off that may not be true, or it might be true but part of a bigger conversation that has other GMs guessing and telling Friedman what they think.
However if part of the core is on the move.
The Flames as a group my have decided the time to move part of the defensive core to make room for the emerging core is now, so they're kicking tires on moving pieces (Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie, Hamonic) for forwards that can step in or futures, or packages that contain both.
Maybe they like Brodie for a 1st, Stone for a 3rd and promote Valimaki and Andersson.
But safely assume is such an over step based on literally nothing.
Wouldn't it be more effective use of an asset like Brodie to trade him for a proven scoring winger? Given what the Islanders paid for Eberle it's certainly something that the team should be able to attain for a top 4 defenseman. I fail to see how trading a valuable asset for the coin flip of a late 1st round pick helps the team especially given how poorly this organization has drafted in that range of the 1st round. High chance it turns out to be the Bouwmeester trade all over again IMO. To me it seems like a panic move to try and make up for a mistake.
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Wouldn't it be more effective use of an asset like Brodie to trade him for a proven scoring winger? Given what the Islanders paid for Eberle it's certainly something that the team should be able to attain for a top 4 defenseman. I fail to see how trading a valuable asset for the coin flip of a late 1st round pick helps the team especially given how poorly this organization has drafted in that range of the 1st round.
That 1st could always be flipped toward another player on a team that didn't covet Brodie. Lots of directions this could all go.
I get the despair and disappointment, but I'm always amazed how quickly people take things to the ditch.
Safely assume?
From your keyboard you can safely assume what is going on with the Flames GM and hockey operations based on the move of an unknown core player for a first round pick?
We can't safely assume anything.
First off that may not be true, or it might be true but part of a bigger conversation that has other GMs guessing and telling Friedman what they think.
However if part of the core is on the move.
The Flames as a group my have decided the time to move part of the defensive core to make room for the emerging core is now, so they're kicking tires on moving pieces (Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie, Hamonic) for forwards that can step in or futures, or packages that contain both.
Maybe they like Brodie for a 1st, Stone for a 3rd and promote Valimaki and Andersson.
But safely assume is such an over step based on literally nothing.
What's the plan then?
Trade 1st round pick for hamonic, keep core together, miss playoffs, deal core member to get 1st round pick back?
If that's the plan, does it sound like a good plan?
If that's not the plan, then I guess this season didn't go according to plan and they are changing things? Wouldn't that signify no plan?
I've seen this power struggle in other private businesses. So many plans there might as well not be one.
Afterall, this is what I said:
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If the flames trade a core player as part of a component of getting back into the first round I think we can all safely assume there is no plan
If the Plan from the start of the year has changed drastically by this point, to me that's an indication there is no plan. Otherwise, why not stick to it? Why not 'trust the process'? Process no good?
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Beyond acquisitions of the character guys mentioned in this thread, we also traded a 3rd round pick for Bollig and used a 2nd round pick on Hunter Smith.
Is the assumption that Burke simply does nothing.
You're going to use a draft pick and a trade from 2014 to demonstrate undue influence from Burke in 2018?
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