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dirk diggler · 03-20-2018, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Do you go out and bring in a guy like Paul Fenton? Is he an upgrade on Treliving? From what I have heard and read, he has done a ton of the legwork on this Nashville build. Not taking away anything at all from Poile.

have heard his name for sometime, really surprised he hasnt moved on to a GM role yet

oldschoolcalgary · 03-20-2018, 05:24 PM

BT has been a bit hit and miss...

on contracts and cap management, i think he's been pretty solid...

Trades have been hit and miss for me to be honest...though i lean more toward good over bad (barely)

not sure if true, but if he didn't lottery protect the 1st rounder headed to NYI on the Hamonic trade, i'd be pretty disappointed... seems like that should be practically boiler plate to have that clause, esp for team that squeaked into the playoffs last year...

the hiring of GG was perplexing when it happened, and is more perplexing with every game he coaches...

i wouldn't be upset if BT got canned, but not expecting it this year.

dino7c · 03-20-2018, 05:35 PM

I think the Oilers would have offered the picks to the Islanders unprotected for Hamonic. They thought they were contenders. Islanders would have preferred Calgary picks cause everyone thought the Oilers were the second coming of Christ last summer. Just a guess.

It's not like BT didn't want to lottery protect the pick...they obviously said no and were likely considering other offers. BT took a risk to get the deal done...didn't pan out this season but Calgary still controls the asset.

Barca · 03-20-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

BT has been a bit hit and miss...

on contracts and cap management, i think he's been pretty solid...

Trades have been hit and miss for me to be honest...though i lean more toward good over bad (barely)

not sure if true, but if he didn't lottery protect the 1st rounder headed to NYI on the Hamonic trade, i'd be pretty disappointed... seems like that should be practically boiler plate to have that clause, esp for team that squeaked into the playoffs last year...

the hiring of GG was perplexing when it happened, and is more perplexing with every game he coaches...

i wouldn't be upset if GG got canned, but not expecting it this year.

should we tell him?

the2bears · 03-20-2018, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

You're just trolling at this point.

You didn't even address the fact that it's a known fact that he signed basically the same contract in Calgary that he turned down in Boston.

Then you go on to make up a fantasy offer sheet possibility for Gaudreau that wasn't even possible.

This thread is a ricardodw dream come true. The chance to trash talk the Flames' core. He lives for this kind of crap.

Brick · 03-20-2018, 06:23 PM

Bring back Bob Hartley and let him decide who stays and who goes from top management down to the players and coaches.

jlh2640 · 03-20-2018, 08:01 PM

Not lottery protecting that pick may be what gets him fired

dino7c · 03-20-2018, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jlh2640

Not lottery protecting that pick may be what gets him fired

again he didn't just choose not to lottery protect it...very likely the Islanders had a similar deals out there and that is what he felt he had to do to make it happen

Besides, BT won't be getting fired anytime soon

the2bears · 03-20-2018, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

again he didn't just choose not to lottery protect it...very likely the Islanders had a similar deals out there and that is what he felt he had to do to make it happen

Besides, BT won't be getting fired anytime soon

They just don't teach patience any more. Three years and some people think it's time for a change.

Vinny01 · 03-20-2018, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

again he didn't just choose not to lottery protect it...very likely the Islanders had a similar deals out there and that is what he felt he had to do to make it happen

Besides, BT won't be getting fired anytime soon

I don’t think he gets fires but if that puck finds itself in the top 3 there is potential he gets canned.

Treliving put his chips in the middle this year and the team took a step back. The Flawed roster where he failed to address a need for scoring was hard to fix with little to no trade capital this deadline.

Treliving told fans that we needed to address the top 4 and goaltending first and foremost. Those moves have not helped the team become a lock down D squad and goals are hard to come by.

Treliving also made the mistake of hiring Gulutzan who has been a horrible coach for the last 2 years.

I don’t want Brad to be fired and while I think he is likely safe I am not so
sure he is as secure as you think.

Strange Brew · 03-20-2018, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the2bears

They just don't teach patience any more. Three years and some people think it's time for a change.

Kind of an ironic statement, considering more than a few people feel the Flames lost patience by trading away so many picks.

The Boy Wonder · 03-20-2018, 09:37 PM

Luckily our ownership is too cheap when it comes to fromtboffice personnel to pay tre and someone else and presumably a real coach too

the2bears · 03-20-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Kind of an ironic statement, considering more than a few people feel the Flames lost patience by trading away so many picks.

I guess, if those who feel the Flames lost patience are suffering from little to no patience now with regards to Treliving. I'm not sure how much overlap between groups there is if any.

CsInMyBlood · 03-20-2018, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

again he didn't just choose not to lottery protect it...very likely the Islanders had a similar deals out there and that is what he felt he had to do to make it happen

Besides, BT won't be getting fired anytime soon

Yeah and that's the problem.

Hamonic is so underwhelming yet Treliving decided to pay that much and not lottery protect that pick. It was a horrible trade and more.

Jiri Hrdina · 03-20-2018, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think he gets fires but if that puck finds itself in the top 3 there is potential he gets canned.
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If the pick ends up in the top 3 it because of a lottery ball.
That would be an idiotic reason to fire someone. If the ball spits out 12 he keeps his job but if it is 3 he gets fired?
Sorry that's dumb.

CliffFletcher · 03-20-2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk diggler

have heard his name for sometime, really surprised he hasnt moved on to a GM role yet

Fenton is supposed to take over from Poile in Nashville. Problem is Poile keeps hanging on, even though he's almost 70. I expect if they win the Cup, Poile will step down and Fenton will take over.

dino7c · 03-20-2018, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think he gets fires but if that puck finds itself in the top 3 there is potential he gets canned.

Treliving put his chips in the middle this year and the team took a step back. The Flawed roster where he failed to address a need for scoring was hard to fix with little to no trade capital this deadline.

Treliving told fans that we needed to address the top 4 and goaltending first and foremost. Those moves have not helped the team become a lock down D squad and goals are hard to come by.

Treliving also made the mistake of hiring Gulutzan who has been a horrible coach for the last 2 years.

I don’t want Brad to be fired and while I think he is likely safe I am not so
sure he is as secure as you think.

His career doesn't rest on a lottery that has the Flames at a 9% chance of picking top 3. Anyway, I said he won't be fired anytime soon not that he has a lifetime contract. No way BT is fired before next season

Another playoff miss and then I could see it potentially depending on factors

Jiri Hrdina · 03-20-2018, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Fenton is supposed to take over from Poile in Nashville. Problem is Poile keeps hanging on, even though he's almost 70. I expect if they win the Cup, Poile will step down and Fenton will take over.

The other guy that is similar to Fenton is Mark Hunter who seems to have grown into an all world scout.
Don't know if he would be a great GM. Is he a GM in the making, or more of a Dave Conte type (the guy from NJ not sure if I got his name right)

dino7c · 03-20-2018, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Yeah and that's the problem.

Hamonic is so underwhelming yet Treliving decided to pay that much and not lottery protect that pick. It was a horrible trade and more.

Depends where the pick falls...teams have given up firsts for far less. 5 or 6 teams gave up firsts for rentals at the deadline and a maximum of one of them will win the cup.

Hamonic is a still solid asset that the Flames control

If by a horrible stroke of bad luck its a top three pick well...BT will say FML

MarkGio · 03-20-2018, 10:01 PM

I think I'm just going to put this here, for those who think Treliving should be blamed for team trades:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...rental-player/

"If a trade happens without me hearing about it, I'll be looking for a new GM" -- Brian Burke