The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Good question. I hope I have enough thanks for all of the threads.

As long as it happens I will thank every thread along the way. I cannot even imagine a post season presser where they say they will stick with this dud...GROSS!

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Itse

What happened over a decade ago has nothing to do with now.

Median stint for an NHL head coach is 2.5 seasons. Hartley was here for four seasons, Brent Sutter for three. Gulutzan is about to reach 2 seasons.

There is no coaching carousel here.

You are right. We don't have to look back a decade to know that this core will have burned thru two sets of coaching staff in 3 years. If GG and his crew are shown the door, get ready for another year of 'adjusting to a new system'

if i was BT and was letting the coaches go - i would also trade the rotten pieces of the core this summer - whomever they happen to be.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

I could absolutely not believe when Smith came out to start the third last night. It’s obviously not Gully’s fault that his goalie had a bad night but it’s his responsibility to make the change.

If he goes into the dressing room right away and tells the boys there’s a goalie change rest of the way, it gives Rittich 20 minutes to get prepared and possibly changes the psyche of the players that the guy who has been struggling with every muffin is getting the rest of the night off. At that point the game was still salvageable.

Instead he does nothing, as per usual, Smith gives up another right off the bat, and the game is all but lost. It’s just amazing how oblivious the man seems to be.

This was pretty much how I saw it, I was so sure we would see a goalie change to start the 3rd, then right away we got scored on. I thought the game was totally salvageable until that point. It kind of reminds me of Elliot in the playoffs last season, we waited until it was too late to do anything.

[midniteowl]

I didn't watch the post game press, did anyone ask Gulutzan why he did not pull Smith or let Rittich start the third?

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Corral

You are right. We don't have to look back a decade to know that this core will have burned thru two sets of coaching staff in 3 years. If GG and his crew are shown the door, get ready for another year of 'adjusting to a new system'

if i was BT and was letting the coaches go - i would also trade the rotten pieces of the core this summer - whomever they happen to be.

What worries me more is how long it's going to take the players to un-learn GG's horrible system and the habits he's instilled.

[Itse]

I don't think the basics of the system are that badly broken. On the NHL level details and player usage make all the difference. Quite literally.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

What worries me more is how long it's going to take the players to un-learn GG's horrible system and the habits he's instilled.

You mean the same system that is used by most of top tier coaches in the NHL? You want rag on GG for his decision making that is fine but at least have a clue what you are talking about if you are going to attack the man.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You mean the same system that is used by most of top tier coaches in the NHL? You want rag on GG for his decision making that is fine but at least have a clue what you are talking about if you are going to attack the man.

He's not wrong. GG gameplay lacks any kind of quick transition once the puck is won in the d zone. Push the puck back, all the way behind the net, make 2 d to d passes, allowing the opposition to change, grab a coffee, and get into position, and then try to attack as a five man unit thru a fully defended neutral zone and opposition Blue line.

There will definitely be a transition time from the boring game plan in place over this 2 year regime.

Other top tier coaches have structure in defending AND translate that into quick transition, off-the-rush offensive opportunity.

Obviously ur the only guy with a clue though right... Lol

[Locke]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

He's not wrong. GG gameplay lacks any kind of quick transition once the puck is won in the d zone. Push the puck back, all the way behind the net, make 2 d to d passes, allowing the opposition to change, grab a coffee, and get into position, and then try to attack as a five man unit thru a fully defended neutral zone and opposition Blue line.

There will definitely be a transition time from the boring game plan in place over this 2 year regime.

Other top tier coaches have structure in defending AND translate that into quick transition, off-the-rush offensive opportunity.

Obviously ur the only guy with a clue though right... Lol

I have said this so many times its giving me deja vu. It reminds me of the Politics threads where I repeat myself all the time because the evidence repeats itself constantly despite some people not wanting to see it.

There is no Magic System that delivers results. This is a fallacy.

If anything the 'System' is the least important part of hockey. Its an extensively coached game.

Hockey is fast.

To succeed you have to be able to operate and adapt at speed. Not after checking the iPad for the millionth time, not waiting for Brouwer to take a puck to the face so maybe Hamilton can get some PP time afte something like 130 games in charge.

I literally saw GG waving Tkachuk to come off the ice on a powerplay, presumably for Brouwer to come on, and watched Tkachuk just pretend not to see him so that he could stay on and promptly score a goal.

We are not the only ones who have noticed that GG has no idea what hes doing.

His stick throwing abilities are first rate however. Almost cleared the lower bowl.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Locke

I have said this so many times its giving me deja vu. It reminds me of the Politics threads where I repeat myself all the time because the evidence repeats itself constantly despite some people not wanting to see it.

You're debating to a bunch of young white rich childless males and you wonder why they don't listen to you? They're the most privileged people in all of mankind.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You mean the same system that is used by most of top tier coaches in the NHL? You want rag on GG for his decision making that is fine but at least have a clue what you are talking about if you are going to attack the man.

Talk about having a clue, you should really try looking at what he does differently from those coaches rather than the small things he tries to do the same.
you should also look at where we sit in the standings(11th), that should tell you he's doing something very different from the top tier coaches in the NHL, or the AHL, or the ECHL for that matter.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

He's not wrong. GG gameplay lacks any kind of quick transition once the puck is won in the d zone. Push the puck back, all the way behind the net, make 2 d to d passes, allowing the opposition to change, grab a coffee, and get into position, and then try to attack as a five man unit thru a fully defended neutral zone and opposition Blue line.

I'm convinced some people never watch other teams play, or don't pay attention. All one has to do is watch a few other games and you'll instantly think, wow these teams are moving the puck up the ice fast, no dicking around to get their ducks in a row.

[Ryan Coke]

I was just thinking about the first rebuild year under Bob, and how I was happy they were changing the culture to a hard working, resilient, and fast group. Even though they were losing due to lack of skill, it was a great base to start from, so that as the skill level improved they would be in a really good position.

2 years under GG, and they have completely lost that identity that they were building. They are not hard working, they do not play fast, and have done a 180 away from being resilient, and are instead absolutely fragile.

I’m worried even if we get a competent coach, how long it will take to change the culture and style that GG has created.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I was just thinking about the first rebuild year under Bob, and how I was happy they were changing the culture to a hard working, resilient, and fast group. Even though they were losing due to lack of skill, it was a great base to start from, so that as the skill level improved they would be in a really good position.

2 years under GG, and they have completely lost that identity that they were building. They are not hard working, they do not play fast, and have done a 180 away from being resilient, and are instead absolutely fragile.

I’m worried even if we get a competent coach, how long it will take to change the culture and style that GG has created.

The Flames had belief under BH but not much structure. I think if you go back 2 years you'll find CP harping on that. GG comes in, brings structure like most coaches - and it was a hard transition. In the process they lost the belief and got inhibited by a slow system. A new coach could build on GGs systems foundation but make it faster, more dynamic and more fun. I think that would be an easier transition than BH to GG.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I’m worried even if we get a competent coach, how long it will take to change the culture and style that GG has created.

I honestly can't see that taking too long. This is a group that I'm sure feels stymied and will jump at the chance to open up their game and their creativity again.

[Red]

Did I hear it right? GG didn't pull Smith after the 2nd period last game because he could provide more offence than rittich?

When is Smith making a PP appearance? Way to overthink a goalie decision GG.WOW

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Red

Did I hear it right? GG didn't pull Smith after the 2nd period last game because he could provide more offence than rittich?

When is Smith making a PP appearance? Way to overthink a goalie decision GG.WOW

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Red

Did I hear it right? GG didn't pull Smith after the 2nd period last game because he could provide more offence than rittich?

When is Smith making a PP appearance? Way to overthink a goalie decision GG.WOW

I don't know about last night, but that was one of his motivating factors for leaving Smith in against the Sharks.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I don't know about last night, but that was one of his motivating factors for leaving Smith in against the Sharks.

Yes I didn't hear the whole conversation but just have been.

Either way. Good move G.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Glen Gulutzan's philosophy on generating offense starts from the back end. No one just understood he meant his own goal line out. What a maroon!!!