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habernac · 11-30-2006, 10:38 AM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6221610?FSO1&ATT=HMA

Thinks it should go to a player on a playoff team. Oddly enough, he doesn't seem to mention that the winner came from a Philadelphia team that had more wins than the Cards. Must be nice to play in a crappy division, Albert.

Table 5 · 11-30-2006, 02:20 PM

the guy had a news conference just to announce that? man, get over yourself buddy.

Bobblehead · 11-30-2006, 02:37 PM

I've heard more articles of Pujol's moodiness since the playoffs than I ever heard about before. Is this type of attitude new with him?

CaramonLS · 11-30-2006, 02:41 PM

Pujols should be so fortunate as to play on a team with great pitching.

I've never agreed with the entire thing where you need to lead your team to the playoffs in order to be the MVP thing. Howard had a better season (Pujols did have the injury), and ment more to the Phils than Pujols to the cards.

habernac · 11-30-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I've heard more articles of Pujol's moodiness since the playoffs than I ever heard about before. Is this type of attitude new with him?

yeah, I started to hear whispers of it about mid season. I thought he was a decent guy before that, but stuff like this makes me believe he's a bit of a prima donna.

moon · 11-30-2006, 06:57 PM

He is right but he doesn't need to have a press conference for it and it shouldn't be the fact that he lead hi team to the playoffs that he is complaining about but the fact that he was much much better in important situations hitting .385 with RISP versus Howards .245. Had not much worse RBI numbers despite way less opportunities to hit with Runners on base.

Also Howard had Utley, a .300+ hitter, hitting in front of him as well as Vitriano who had a decent year and Pujos had an injured Eckstein or leading off and a rookie hitting second in front of him.

All this talk about Howard leading his team to almost making the play-offs and Pujols doing nothing and his team falling apart is BS. When healthy the Cards had one of the best records in the NL and MLB overall and it wasn't until injuries to Pujols, Carpenter, Eckstein, Edmonds and Isringhausen t at various times that they started their downward spiral that almost resulted in them missing the play-offs. Pujols did plenty to carry this team all year long on a team that did not have much else with Edmonds injured and both him and Rolen having down years.

If Pujols gets dissed for leading his team to the play-offs in a weak division then Howard should get called on hitting all those solo HR's in a hitters dream of a home field.

The actions of Pujols off the field since the start of the play-offs are a little concerning for me. He has shown nothing but being a great off filed guy up to that point in his career and it is a little odd that these things are happening now. Especially considering he plays for one of the most professional teams and clubhouses in the leageu you would think someone would have said "Hey Albert this sh*t ain't that good of an idea"

He should have won the MVP, and it wasn't close in my mind, but he already has one, will win more in his career and is putting a career together that will be measured against Williams, Ruth, Dimaggio, Musial etc. and shouldn't have to worry about the Ryan Howards of the world.

browna · 11-30-2006, 07:04 PM

Given that he probably likely would've gotten a big bonus for winning the MVP, and having that MVP on his resume whenever HE decides he's underpaid and holds the Cards ransom, this doesn't surprise me...in fact its probably stage one of his plan to suck more cash out of the Cardinals.

RedHot25 · 11-30-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Is this type of attitude new with him?

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Originally Posted by habernac

yeah, I started to hear whispers of it about mid season. I thought he was a decent guy before that, but stuff like this makes me believe he's a bit of a prima donna.

I don't have any articles per se that I can dig up for you, but...suffice to say I think that there have been some rumours floating around for a while now that he is a bit moody? Maybe someone who knows more can provide more information, or correct me if I am wrong? They haven't ever come to the forefront, but they have been persistently kind of there, lurking in the background for quite a while now... (a handful of years?).

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Originally Posted by moon

He is right but he doesn't need to have a press conference for it and it shouldn't be the fact that he lead hi team to the playoffs that he is complaining about but the fact that he was much much better in important situations hitting .385 with RISP versus Howards .245. Had not much worse RBI numbers despite way less opportunities to hit with Runners on base.

Also Howard had Utley, a .300+ hitter, hitting in front of him as well as Vitriano who had a decent year and Pujos had an injured Eckstein or leading off and a rookie hitting second in front of him.....

If Pujols gets dissed for leading his team to the play-offs in a weak division then Howard should get called on hitting all those solo HR's in a hitters dream of a home field.

The actions of Pujols off the field since the start of the play-offs are a little concerning for me. He has shown nothing but being a great off filed guy up to that point in his career and it is a little odd that these things are happening now. Especially considering he plays for one of the most professional teams and clubhouses in the leageu you would think someone would have said "Hey Albert this sh*t ain't that good of an idea"

He should have won the MVP, and it wasn't close in my mind, but he already has one, will win more in his career and is putting a career together that will be measured against Williams, Ruth, Dimaggio, Musial etc. and shouldn't have to worry about the Ryan Howards of the world.

The first part of your post, Moon, I would disagree with...in fact to me its kind of symbolic of what Pujols has done; a "well yah the other guy had a good year and I did win the world series....but look at all that I did...I derserve it more!!". It smacks to me of being a sore winner if that makes sense. (I don't mean what I said at the start to be anything about you personally; its just more of a "welll yah....but really look at the other guy, he wasn't good enough!!" type of thing).

Haven't there been rumours kind of here and there that Pujols is a bit moody to begin with (i.e. not just since post-playoffs)? Since you appear to follow the Cards more closely than I , perhaps you can provide some more evidence/input to either back up or refute this idea...

And as for the last part, I agree with - he needs to just show some class and be happy with his lot, and not complain about it....

moon · 11-30-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

Given that he probably likely would've gotten a big bonus for winning the MVP, and having that MVP on his resume whenever HE decides he's underpaid and holds the Cards ransom, this doesn't surprise me...in fact its probably stage one of his plan to suck more cash out of the Cardinals.

He is currently in year three of a $100 million dollar contract so the money issue may be moot for him. But with athletes today who knows how much it takes for them to feel properly paid.

With the money given to Lee and Soriano he probably is underpaid.

moon · 11-30-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot25

Haven't there been rumours kind of here and there that Pujols is a bit moody to begin with (i.e. not just since post-playoffs)? Since you appear to follow the Cards more closely than I , perhaps you can provide some more evidence/input to either back up or refute this idea...

And as for the last part, I agree with - he needs to just show some class and be happy with his lot, and not complain about it....

I haven't heard too much about him being moody but since he has been in the league he has been in a very veteran, "professional" clubhouse with guys like Walker, Rolen, Woody Williams, Edmonds etc. as strong leaders who make sure guys act the right way on and off the field. Plus La Russa is very good at handlilng the media and keeping the focus off his players and more on him. So these two factors may have hidden some of his moodiness.

If it sounds like sour grapes on my part I guess it is. I thought Pujols should have won easily. I thought he had that much better of a year but yes I guess I, and Albert, should be gracious losers and talk about the great year both guys had.

habernac · 12-01-2006, 09:25 AM

if he wants to be disappointed, great. Let him do it in private. Having a press conference to say you should have won the MVP? Just makes you look like a sore loser.

Bobblehead · 12-01-2006, 10:51 AM

I'll see if I can find one, but I know I read that during the playoffs he was sulking around the clubhouse, refusing to speak with reporters and just overall not looking like he was enjoying himself. I remembered it because this was the first I had heard of it, and in my eyes he was a consummate professional. I thought it weird. Now I hear another story, so I'm wondering if something had happened recently to annoy him or if he had always been like this and had just received a free pass.

Philly06Cup · 12-04-2006, 12:10 AM

The MVP choices of all sports have been suspect the last couple years. Looks like the sportswriters are more into the 'trendy' picks now. I had Pooholes and Jeter pegged as the MVPs, but lo and behold, the writers choose a couple of lesser-names. Arguments can be made of either of them, but the writers seem to like the trendier names.

See: '04 Steve Nash > Shaquille O'Neal. That surprised the bejesus out of me.

But, I say good for the them, for recognising lessernames, instead of voting based on reputation and past performances.

habernac · 12-04-2006, 12:44 PM

Pujols says he was misquoted:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2685770