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taco.vidal · 03-13-2018, 01:33 PM

I think that the NHL owners as a collective have no problem with the Flames moving to a new city if the City of Calgary does not offer the type of deal that the owners desire.
Its business and I think the owners dont want to give in to a city and then have others cities trying to negotiate better terms for new arena deals. Moving the Flames shows hat the NHL is prepared to play hardball. There are enough cities that will throw money at a team in terms of lucrative arena deals that moving one team may be enough to create fear among other cities needing new rinks to throw money at teams they want to keep.

corporatejay · 03-13-2018, 01:34 PM

I think there is a long way to go before the Flames leave but I do believe that no progress will be made with this ownership group and this mayor.

The question is who waits out who. I suspect the NHL would insist the Flames look for a local owner before they sell to Houston.

Robbob · 03-13-2018, 01:34 PM

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Hasn't Francis already been scolded about making claims like this? Namely the owners just can't up and sell the team to whoever, wherever.

It doesn't make sense to the NHL today, which is why it wouldn't happen. In 4 years from now it might be a different story. Things will only get worse the longer this goes on.

Flamenspiel · 03-13-2018, 01:34 PM

Eric has already said this before, and he has said it a number of times. Why is it even news?

Bunk · 03-13-2018, 01:35 PM

Even if the Mayor were actually adamantly against the Flames goals he sits on a City Council with 15 votes. The Flames offer, I understand, was unanimously voted against. The Mayor is also not literally sitting at any negotiating table. Surely there's enough supposedly "pro business" or "pro-Flames" Councillors to force a vote on the Flames' proposed structure, or something close to it. The fact that 15 saw it as unreasonable really has little to nothing to do with Mayor Nenshi. If he was that powerful he'd win a heck of a lot more important votes by a much bigger margin. Heck, there are Councillors that vote against the Mayor on key items to spite the mayor, because they don't like him.

TheSpecialist · 03-13-2018, 01:36 PM

If you all want to hear the entire interview with Eric Francis, I would suggest that you wait for it to become available on the Oilers Now Audio On Demand on the 630 ched website.

nik- · 03-13-2018, 01:40 PM

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Come on man. They ran into what is the absolute worst mayor you would ever want go negotiate with on a matter like this that takes everything personally. I don't think there's an owner in professional sports that would have dealt with him and not want to put their hands around his neck. Nenshi has gone out of his way to stick the knife into the Flames owners every chance he got and to me that's not negotiating. Sure the Flames haven't done a bang up job but I think Nenshi has handled it even worse.

haha, how dare this mayor ask for a reasonable deal for his citizens.

How can we expect these billionaires to deal with this!?

N-E-B · 03-13-2018, 01:42 PM

I don't think the Flames are going to move, but I also think the possibility exists and it's more than just the owners playing hardball or Francis being a mouthpiece.

dissentowner · 03-13-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by corporatejay

I think there is a long way to go before the Flames leave but I do believe that no progress will be made with this ownership group and this mayor.

The question is who waits out who. I suspect the NHL would insist the Flames look for a local owner before they sell to Houston.

Exactly, this is the policy the NHL has always had, to try and find a buyer that will keep the team where it is. If Bettman is willing to go to war to keep teams like Arizona and Carolina where they are he better step up for us as well.

iggy_oi · 03-13-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

I think that the NHL owners as a collective have no problem with the Flames moving to a new city if the City of Calgary does not offer the type of deal that the owners desire.
Its business and I think the owners dont want to give in to a city and then have others cities trying to negotiate better terms for new arena deals. Moving the Flames shows hat the NHL is prepared to play hardball. There are enough cities that will throw money at a team in terms of lucrative arena deals that moving one team may be enough to create fear among other cities needing new rinks to throw money at teams they want to keep.

The flip side of that argument is that the league has to find homes for their franchises and if they start sending the message that they expect tax payers to pay for their arenas so that the league can make money it could make it harder find potential suitors. Especially when there are arenas being privately funded. Why should tax payers in Calgary have to pay for our arena when Vegas tax payers didn’t have to pay for theirs?

Manhattanboy · 03-13-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RM14

What about the other owners?:
- Alvin G. Libin
- Clayton H. Riddell
- Allan Markin
- Jeffery J. McCaig

My understanding is that Murray Edwards is not the majority owner but holds the largest single partnership interest. He is the managing partner of the partnership that owns CSEC.

Yoho · 03-13-2018, 01:48 PM

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My understanding is that Murray Edwards is not the majority owner but holds the largest single partnership interest. He is the managing partner of the partnership that owns CSEC.

“Assistant to the regional manager”

Joborule · 03-13-2018, 01:50 PM

Eric Francis just likes to have people remember that he's Eric Francis.

Flames aren't going anywhere. For what CSEC wants, the grass isn't greener elsewhere.

CaptainCrunch · 03-13-2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Exactly, this is the policy the NHL has always had, to try and find a buyer that will keep the team where it is. If Bettman is willing to go to war to keep teams like Arizona and Carolina where they are he better step up for us as well.

That might change when Nenshi basically treated Bettman like he was a door to door amway salesman.

I expect the courtesy will be, what the best deal that the city will offer to keep the Flames in Calgary with a new building.

That will decide whether Bettman works hard to go to war to keep the Flames in Calgary.

CaptainCrunch · 03-13-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

Eric Francis just likes to have people remember that he's Eric Francis.

Flames aren't going anywhere. For what CSEC wants, the grass isn't greener elsewhere.

But they have a responsibility to see if it is or not.

nik- · 03-13-2018, 01:52 PM

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But they have a responsibility to see if it is or not.

No they don't. They have an interest to see if it is or not. They don't have a responsibility to do so.

RM14 · 03-13-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

My understanding is that Murray Edwards is not the majority owner but holds the largest single partnership interest. He is the managing partner of the partnership that owns CSEC.

He may be a managing partner. But the partnership as a whole would have to approve something as significant as a sale of the team.

iggy_oi · 03-13-2018, 01:56 PM

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But they have a responsibility to see if it is or not.

It’s likely all posturing though. What are the odds of the team and league looking at their options and coming back and honestly saying there are no better options than calgary if that is the end result? I think that’s what calgarians are getting frustrated with.

Joborule · 03-13-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That might change when Nenshi basically treated Bettman like he was a door to door amway salesman.

I expect the courtesy will be, what the best deal that the city will offer to keep the Flames in Calgary with a new building, and control over plots of lands for real estate development.

That will decide whether Bettman works hard to go to war to keep the Flames in Calgary.

Fixed your post.

iggy_oi · 03-13-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

No they don't. They have an interest to see if it is or not. They don't have a responsibility to do so.

I think bettman does have a responsibility to his owners to make sure they have all the information to be able to make the best decision in the interest of their business. He just doesn’t need to do it as publicly as he’s choosing to, I think people wouldn’t mind if they were taking the same approach as the did to the Atlanta move to Winnipeg, where no one knew about it until it was already done. The fact that they’re taking a different approach suggests to me that there is a motive to the team and league’s approach.