The Future Outlook of our Forward Group?

[jayswin]

I wonder if we could get a true star forward fro Ferland and Brodie together?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I wonder if we could get a true star forward fro Ferland and Brodie together?

Or Brodie and Sam?
Edit what I really want is for them to be able to get two forwards in.
So Brodie+Sam for 2 of Patches/Gallagher/Galch

Or Brodie+Ferland for Dylan Strome and Max Domi

Stuff like that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I wonder if we could get a true star forward fro Ferland and Brodie together?

Nope. A team that has a star forward isn't trading him. Unless he's a pending UFA and they either can't re-sign him or are starting a rebuild. In the former case, if they can't afford the one player, two whose salaries approach his are not attractive. In the latter case, they want picks/prospects.

How many elite players have been traded (when they were elite)?

[savardandjokinen]

I'd like to see them try this once everyone is healthy
Gaudreau-Monahan-Jankowski
Ferland-Backlund-Frolik
Tkachuk-Bennett-Versteeg
Hathaway/Lazar-Shore-Brouwer/Stewart
Stajan, Glass, and 2 of the people with slashes next to them

[TheScorpion]

Well, it's hard to say, but next year I'd like to see this:

Coach: Someone else

L1. Gaudreau - Monahan - (new: Hoffman/Kane/van Riemsdyk/Nyquist/Stone/etc.)
L2. Bennett - Backlund - Ferland
L3. Tkachuk - Jankowski - Frolik
L4. Versteeg - Shore - Lazar
two of Hathaway/Shinkaruk/Mangiapane

Buy out or deal Brouwer. Let Glass, Jagr, Carroll, and Gazdic expire. Hrivik -- on the fence.

PP units:

Gaudreau - Monahan - new guy
Giordano - Hamilton

Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Versteeg - Brodie

[dammage79]

Trade gaudreau to Philly at the draft for their first and Patrick Nolan. RHS top line problem solved. Move Tkachuk up to top line with him, move Monahan down to line #2 with Bennett and find a dishy RW playmaker for them.

Get Tuulola over with that shot and grit of his and put him in on 3rd line RW and Janko on the left of Backlund.

Get Shore to Center Lazar and Ferland.

Boom. Problem solved.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Trade gaudreau to Philly at the draft for their first and Patrick Nolan. RHS top line problem solved. Move Tkachuk up to top line with him, move Monahan down to line #2 with Bennett and find a dishy RW playmaker for them.

Get Tuulola over with that shot and grit of his and put him in on 3rd line RW and Janko on the left of Backlund.

Get Shore to Center Lazar and Ferland.

Boom. Problem solved.

Crazy talk. We need more offense, trading away our most offensive guy makes no sense. Johnny is part of a handful of young NHLers that are untouchable IMO.

I think we all know who those guys are.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Trade gaudreau to Philly at the draft for their first and Patrick Nolan. RHS top line problem solved. Move Tkachuk up to top line with him, move Monahan down to line #2 with Bennett and find a dishy RW playmaker for them.

Get Tuulola over with that shot and grit of his and put him in on 3rd line RW and Janko on the left of Backlund.

Get Shore to Center Lazar and Ferland.

Boom. Problem solved.

The problem of a new arena solved , because no one would come watch the team anymore !

[blender]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nope. A team that has a star forward isn't trading him. Unless he's a pending UFA and they either can't re-sign him or are starting a rebuild. In the former case, if they can't afford the one player, two whose salaries approach his are not attractive. In the latter case, they want picks/prospects.

How many elite players have been traded (when they were elite)?

Kessel, Duchene, Turris, Johansen, Neal, Carter, Richards, just off the top of my head. Not Elite, but there are trades to be made in the off season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blender

Kessel, Duchene, Turris, Johansen, Neal, Carter, Richards, just off the top of my head. Not Elite, but there are trades to be made in the off season.

Fair enough though there were different circumstances for those, and IMO the Kessel and Duchene trades weren't NHL player for NHL player(s) like "Brodie/Ferland for star RW". They were more like rebuild trades - Kessel was traded for a bunch of assets, mainly picks. Duchene was essentially acquired for an expiring contract (Turris) and Colorado got picks. Also, Carter/Richards - well we know what that was about.

What star RW is any team giving up for Brodie and Ferland? Keeping in mind we are looking to better Ferland's 20+ goals. You're looking then at someone at least as good as Stone, Pasternak, Gallagher, all of whom have a few more goals than Ferland (but not by much). The problem is that Ottawa and Montreal are rebuilding so they don't want prime/veteran players like Brodie and Ferland - they want picks and prospects. And teams like Boston aren't going to trade a Pasternak.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well, it's hard to say, but next year I'd like to see this:

Coach: Someone else

L1. Gaudreau - Monahan - (new: Hoffman/Kane/van Riemsdyk/Nyquist/Stone/etc.)
L2. Bennett - Backlund - Ferland
L3. Tkachuk - Jankowski - Frolik
L4. Versteeg - Shore - Lazar
two of Hathaway/Shinkaruk/Mangiapane

Buy out or deal Brouwer. Let Glass, Jagr, Carroll, and Gazdic expire. Hrivik -- on the fence.

PP units:

Gaudreau - Monahan - new guy
Giordano - Hamilton

Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Versteeg - Brodie

The bold I would say are 50/50 to be here next year. I see Treliving revamping the forward group substantially.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Trade gaudreau to Philly at the draft for their first and Patrick Nolan. RHS top line problem solved. Move Tkachuk up to top line with him, move Monahan down to line #2 with Bennett and find a dishy RW playmaker for them.

Get Tuulola over with that shot and grit of his and put him in on 3rd line RW and Janko on the left of Backlund.

Get Shore to Center Lazar and Ferland.

Boom. Problem solved.

And this is why I'm grateful fans are not GM's.

[stone hands]

On what planet does Brodie of the last 2 years and Bennett get you a star player

Half this board wants to run these two out of town and we are supposed to get a star player off another teams roster for them?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nope. A team that has a star forward isn't trading him. Unless he's a pending UFA and they either can't re-sign him or are starting a rebuild. In the former case, if they can't afford the one player, two whose salaries approach his are not attractive. In the latter case, they want picks/prospects.

How many elite players have been traded (when they were elite)?

Or you trade a star D for them. Maybe Hamilton?

[Bingo]

I'm not one to fill in fantasy names so I'll just talk in basics.

They need to add a forward to the top six that pushes Frolik the third line. Accomplish that and I think they're fine.

I don't mind the top five, and I like Jankowski, Bennett and Frolik as the principals for a third line (open minded to mix the top six with the third line and come up with three lines of balance).

I like Shore as a piece for the fourth line, and I don't even mind Brouwer and Lazar back and battling guys like Mangiapane and Dube for ice.

The key is how. I don't like the UFA market much ... Perron is pretty much it for wingers. So do you deal a prospect for a youngish player that is equivalent? Something like Rasmus Andersson for Kapanen in Toronto? (if they like him) Or do you move something bigger for something more established, like a Brodie for Hoffman deal to make a bigger statement?

[blender]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fair enough though there were different circumstances for those, and IMO the Kessel and Duchene trades weren't NHL player for NHL player(s) like "Brodie/Ferland for star RW". They were more like rebuild trades - Kessel was traded for a bunch of assets, mainly picks. Duchene was essentially acquired for an expiring contract (Turris) and Colorado got picks. Also, Carter/Richards - well we know what that was about.

What star RW is any team giving up for Brodie and Ferland? Keeping in mind we are looking to better Ferland's 20+ goals. You're looking then at someone at least as good as Stone, Pasternak, Gallagher, all of whom have a few more goals than Ferland (but not by much). The problem is that Ottawa and Montreal are rebuilding so they don't want prime/veteran players like Brodie and Ferland - they want picks and prospects. And teams like Boston aren't going to trade a Pasternak.

Valid points.
I was just saying that trades for good players can happen even in today's NHL, not that it would be easy to do.
Also, the Brodie Ferland talk is not me. If the Flames are to trade for a scoring winger they will certainly need to use one or more of their prospects to acquire him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Or you trade a star D for them. Maybe Hamilton?

Hamilton will be an elite defenceman. He should get you almost any winger with a very few notable exceptions. But now you have a huge hole in the top D, and Gio isn't getting any younger.

If there's a team with a glut of good wingers, but thin on D, I'd look at something around Brodie+one of the Flames D prospects. Or Brodie/Stone, but that's unlikely.

[Toonage]

Brodie, Stone, Fox, Andersson will be the names I'd expect to see involved in a deal this summer. Not all of them mind you, but at least two will be moved I think. I could also see one of Gillies or Rittich moved as well. Obviously the Flames have limited resources so far as picks are concerned but their prospect pool is deep enough that they could parlay that into a hokey deal or for picks that can be turned around dealt in other deals to fill the forward gaps. As I noted in the 18/19 Flames thread, I think they poke around Ottawa, Montreal & Buffalo.

[nik-]

If we're moving a top three D, we shouldn't be moving Fox or Andersson.

Please just wait though Treliving, let a new coach come in.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hamilton will be an elite defenceman. He should get you almost any winger with a very few notable exceptions. But now you have a huge hole in the top D, and Gio isn't getting any younger.

If there's a team with a glut of good wingers, but thin on D, I'd look at something around Brodie+one of the Flames D prospects. Or Brodie/Stone, but that's unlikely.

I love Gio, but as you said, he isn't getting any younger. What would Gio bring?