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redmile04 · 03-02-2018, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Familia

Why are people still watching this ####? I tuned out weeks ago. Everyone bitches and complains about this team but gets sucked in game after game. If we want change the only way to achieve it is with an empty building and no one watching. Only then will the message be delivered.

Start the revolt!

browna · 03-02-2018, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

OK, but explain best ever seasons by almost all the Flames top players in this context?
The problem, to me, has become obvious that the Flames only have 2 NHL caliber forward lines.And most of the forward core is young.
Surrounding them with talent would have done much more than trying to surround them with 'veteran leadership'. That is on Treliving.

Individual talent and skill is there. And proven as you say.
This team, with this roster as is and as has been, lost out on, or gave, SJ, LA, and Anaheim, about 10 points in late November to mid January, in games where they clearly outplayed, but couldn't get the 4-1 goal or hold the two goal lead that should've been more, and allowed those teams back in games.

Add similar style losses in losses to Buffalo, 3 to the Oilers, and the Vegas meltdown at home and this team could have easily. 14 to 16 more net points to some of these teams they're separated by 3-8 points, as crazy as that sounds, by keeping the foot on the gas and finishing those games off that they were in full control of instead of letting teams hang around.
And that's on the coach. You see at happened when he went overboard with the stick toss, players responded. It was a desperate act but worked for 7 games in a row. But that stick throw wasn't sustainable, not is that sort of fire and style from GG and the Flames.and the roster that could've has so many more points going into the all star break didn't.
Confidence in coach continues to wane, and just like he couldn't get the buttons pushed to finish teams off, he doesn't have the ability to snap them out of a funk, because again, he doesn't have the confidence.

Long story short, this roster has been dominant in many more games them the past 5 seasons. When the roster has needed the coaching staff to push them to finish games, they've failed. Confidence has eroded and players have been using thier talent to get by. But toss in the loss of the goalie, and the other crutch the players have been able to count on is gone, and the coaching staff again is if monies to the roster as far as team continuity goes.

TheAlpineOracle · 03-02-2018, 10:57 PM

From this team’s #### on ice performance to listening to that ####ing weasel Bettman every few weeks talk a top ten team in attendance not
Being sustainable (and I’m very much pro arena with the city finding a decent amount), I’m literally out of ####s to give. I get more enjoyment watching the Raptors on tv that watching this.....

mikephoen · 03-02-2018, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

He has qualifications.

Do you?

It would be nice if he used those qualifications to make some informative posts, since he should have perspectives and experience that the rest of us don’t.

Instead it’s mostly just snide comments.

drewtastic · 03-02-2018, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

Really frustrated with this team. Not sure what needs to change for things to improve, but as has been said this team just isn't a lot of fun to cheer for.

I'm not giving up on them, but I am taking a break from CP. That's not to say this PGT is awful or anything, I just find I get more depressed and angry when I'm following everything intently. So I'm choosing not to.

Here's hoping we can recover and still make the playoffs.

Go Flames!

I sincerely appreciate your post, but this year, I have given up on this team. Since January, I have used the first period as a barometer: if it's mediocre, I find something else to do. It's been a real time saver (although, admittedly, tonight I lasted until the 2-1 goal against...here I blame Backlund for not finishing, but that's a separate issue).

Given that I believe this year to be a write-off, I am quite content with the fact that they did not give up any young talent in a panic move at the deadline. Had Treliving fallen into that trap, I fear that we would have not only missed playoffs, but cast away talent that could help this group in the near future.

It's pretty clear that this current group simply does not have the ability to overcome even minor setbacks (at 3-1 down tonight, they still had more than half of the game left). I don't know what the ratio of poor coaching to non-confident/resilient players is, but the problem with this team rests somewhere in between these two categories.

Luckily, Treliving did not see fit to sacrifice our future for a last-ditch attempt at playoffs this year. Hopefully this means that we will be able to make some tweaks for next year and beyond.

Onward and upward (in 2018-19, that is)!

Jeff Lebowski · 03-02-2018, 10:58 PM

In 2015 when Gio went down Brodie elevated his game and took it higher in the playoffs. I don't believe he just lost all ability at 27. It has to be deployment and scheme.

This team needs to be an uptempo team. It is not. They can't skate with fast teams, they fear getting in track meets or going chance for chance. They should be a team that thrives in skating games. Instead they talk about being above fast teams.

I want a fast, attacking and relentless team that can quick strike opponents. I want forwards who can score off the rush, off fast transition not this point shooting, hope for tips or good bounces, play the percentages we're seeing.

The best teams (VGK, NAS, WPG) are fast teams that create chances and play an exciting style. CGY is uncreative save for a few guys. Keep them and add.

Kybb79 · 03-02-2018, 10:58 PM

The first line went downhill hill since Ferly went down. Bennett is no good. GG ruined the kid!

the_only_turek_fan · 03-02-2018, 10:59 PM

Glen Gulutzan didn't pay Troy Brouwer 18M. We need a new GM not a new coach.

Psytic · 03-02-2018, 10:59 PM

Should of just kept Hartley I had fun watching that team. Don't care he was a bad coach, at the end of the day a team should be fun to watch. We are paying for entertainment win or lose. Its too Brent Sutter in here, i'm not a fan.

EldrickOnIce · 03-02-2018, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Lets trade for every 3/4 line grinder thats "great in the locker room" this teams a joke, this team does not take winning seriously including management

Don't necessarily have to trade for them.
Can wait until they're UFA and sign them to big contracts.
Treliving needs to feel the heat.
Make a list of forward acquisitions during his tenure. For a team that lacks talent, it's not pretty.

mikephoen · 03-02-2018, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Glen Gulutzan didn't pay Troy Brouwer 18M. We need a new GM not a new coach.

If Tre is a bad GM, why would you want his hand picked coach to stick around?

Stay Golden · 03-02-2018, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

As much as I want Gulutzan gone we're stuck with him for the rest of the season playoffs or not. All we can do is hope Treliving finally admits he screwed up and is quick to pull the plug once the season is done.

If Treliving does not man up on firing Gulutzan after this season then the entire 2017-18 season was a complete waste with nothing to show for it. Trading away all our 1-3 round draft picks is further insult. Essentially NYI will have two chances at the lottery thanks to Treliving.

RoughRiderRowdy · 03-02-2018, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Don't necessarily have to trade for them.
Can wait until they're UFA and sign them to big contracts.
Treliving needs to feel the heat.
Make a list of forward acquisitions during his tenure. For a team that lacks talent, it's not pretty.

No kidding hey haha. What another nhl team does lazar stajan lomberg or hathaway have a roster spot on? Our team had monahan tkatchuk johnny with skill, oie second line is a 3rd line and the rest of spare parts garbage trash "good guys in the room" my *** that doesnt win games were a dumpster firw boring to watch ourside of monahan tkatchuk and johnny

EldrickOnIce · 03-02-2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

If Tre is a bad GM, why would you want his hand picked coach to stick around?

Not all that sure a coaching staff of Scotty Bowman, AL Arbour and Jack Adams could win with this roster...

tvp2003 · 03-02-2018, 11:07 PM

Playoffs are still within reach, but all that means is getting eliminated in 4-5 games in the first round. The lost draft picks are annoying but I'm not concerned about stocking the cupboards for 2-3 years from now.

I'm looking forward to next season instead. Get Smith healthy. Get rid of some of the expensive vets (Stajan and Brouwer via buyout) and come back leaner with a new coach and clean slate. Could do wonders for this team.

868904 · 03-02-2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Firing now makes no sense unless you are really set on a guy for now and future.

You gotta wait till offseason to see who becomes available. Quenneville or Vigneault might not have jobs in April. Would hate to not get a chance at snagging one of those guys because Tre wanted to save the season by getting a new coach with 16 games left.

My big fear is that they don't do thee right thing and fire GG and point to the stupid advanced stats.

Strange Brew · 03-02-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

No kidding hey haha. What another nhl team does lazar stajan lomberg or hathaway have a roster spot on? Our team had monahan tkatchuk johnny with skill, oie second line is a 3rd line and the rest of spare parts garbage trash "good guys in the room" my *** that doesnt win games were a dumpster firw boring to watch ourside of monahan tkatchuk and johnny

I had the exact same thing typed out but you beat me to it.

dino7c · 03-02-2018, 11:10 PM

If it wasn't for the dire situation or that fact it has happened like 20 times we would just be brushing this off as one of those games.

How often is a team gonna get 51 ####ing shots and only score on one of them though? Goalie made 50 saves that is insane...I know a lot were from the outside but there were some damn good chances. How does Backlund not score? Flames are gripping the sticks so tight its ridiculous.

JJFlash · 03-02-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zamler

I have a bad feeling the Flames will trade Brodie and he'll go on to recapture his form.

A defender that can't and won't shoot has little value to any team.

transplant99 · 03-02-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

It would be nice if he used those qualifications to make some informative posts, since he should have perspectives and experience that the rest of us don’t.

Instead it’s mostly just snide comments.

Snide comments are hardly an exclusive domain to ANYONE who posts in game threads and elsewhere.

IMO, there is a ton of info/opinion given that people simply dont want to hear/read/understand/deal with...so they resort to the referred to stuff from earlier. Yes it goes both ways and yes things get said in more direct ways than maybe should be. That part to me...shouldnt matter if actually focusing on substance.

Quit shooting the messenger and concentrate on the message....whether you like it or not.

My last word on this, but I know that i would rather read short and sometimes non-pedantic statements than not hear it at all.