The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He walked away from Joe Colborne for nothing and got slammed for it by almost everyone
But he was right
He traded Glencross, Hudler and Russel
He’s made tough calls

Brodie is definitely a larger asset, a much tougher call than those guys but it’s a call that needs to be made. Brodie has been a disaster defensively for 2 years now, moving him will allow for younger guys to work their way into the defense and create a more balanced team. Flames defensive is above average but it should not come at the expense of creating a balanced forward group.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

For discussion sake, if other teams rate Brodie as you have rated him, are you sure he will net the team a top six forward? Let's say he does net the team a second line rw, who's going to be on second D pair? Do they move Stone up with Hamonic ? Then who's going to play with Kulak? Bartkowski? Can Anderssen be able to play second pairs minutes? Or can he even play third pair regularly. I haven't watch him play at all in Stockton, so I really don't know.

So, may be Treliving hasn't traded Brodie not because he over value him, instead he is thinking more than oh we need a top 6 forward. My 2 cents anyway.

Well I would be able to answer your question better if the Flames actually would give Andersson a legit look, but they brought Hamonic in and resigned Stone, which has put up a huge wall for him to get any playing time. I do think Kulak is already better defensively than Brodie, and it does pain me to say that.

We’ll see if Treliving makes the call, if they don’t make the playoffs something will have to give. We’ll see what his answer is but the forward groups needs major adjustments.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He walked away from Joe Colborne for nothing and got slammed for it by almost everyone
But he was right
He traded Glencross, Hudler and Russel
He’s made tough calls

Glencross trade was decent as he was a declining asset who seemingly with his agent overvalued himself.
Hudler I suspect was moved related to off ice issues, and who had a significant drop off.
Russell was not a great trade, he was as I understand it a good guy in the room. But not great value on his next contract.

But these aren’t in my mind (and maybe with the benefit of hindsight) terribly tough calls.

Other than Russell, basically calls on declining assets. And generally not assets that he brought in to the fold.

I wonder if he will be as pragmatic in evaluation and handling of the coaching staff, particularly as they were brought in on his watch.

[Gaskal]

1st, Brodie, Ferland, Fox for Hoffman and Karlsson!



Dammit. I fell for it again. Every time you imagine Karlsson on your team you go into dumbcrumb pocket GM mode. It's goddamn irresistable. He'd better end up staying in the East so we can all let out our breath and stop fantasizing about him and Gio being the best pairing this league has seen for quite some time.

[JohnnyB]

Get rid of GG, then reconsider the situation with Brodie. If the coach may be the reason for the player's poor play and the coach needs to go anyways, then keep the player to see if he's rejuvenated under a new coach. Why risk throwing away a player who has been great when used in a different way under a different coach and who might get back to that as soon as next season playing for a new coach?

[colbym72]

For what its worth, Friedman said on 960 this morning that he would be surprised if there is any coaching or management changes, and thinks it will be a big roster shakeup if they miss the playoffs

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by colbym72

For what its worth, Friedman said on 960 this morning that he would be surprised if there is any coaching or management changes, and thinks it will be a big roster shakeup if they miss the playoffs

[442scotty]

Well a big roster shakeup is a no brainer. At least 2 defence and 3 forwards

[Toonage]

Well, if Elliotte is right, there's no way the Flames can get off to another slow start having 2 years to nail down the details right?

[Vinny01]

I think Treliving should stay but definitely think Gulutzan needs to go.

I see the Flames shopping Brodie, Hamonic, and Stone fairly heavy at the draft. I could even see an outside chance they shop Hamilton if they return is insane.

With Andersson looking very much ready and the forwards lacking depth it really does seem like a bit of overkill to give up so much for Hamonic.

Treliving has a chance to make up for that by moving a Dman for help up front this summer

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Well, let's just talk about the last year then.

Is not picking until the third round and potentially missing the playoffs after getting swept in the first round the year before a sign the process is working or not working?

Has the process been successful?

The team has decided they have a core that can win.

With that if you want to manage a window it's better to add to the core with "Now" pieces or prospects that are ready than draft and wait for three to five years for those players to play a role.

Added to that logic is recent success.

They wouldn't be rolling the dice on a Hamonic acquisition if they didn't absolutely nail it in recent drafts. Getting Andersson, Kylington, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Parsons, Dube, Fox, Phillips, Valimaki, and then maybes in Ruzicka, Fischer and Joly is a pretty good haul.

I'm sure they're not getting too excited about the '17 late round picks yet, it's early, but of that total group it looks like they have 4 upper roster defenseman, a starter and another three forwards that will play.

That allows you to move picks to help out the now.

If they're wrong, if the core isn't the one to build around then it's a mistake, but I certainly see what they're doing.

And it doesn't get magically done in one off season.

[Ryan Coke]

As it stands with Gulutzan, Im not renewing my seats next year. It’s not a threat or anything, still a Flames fan hoping for the best from the team, but the entertainment value has just plummeted for me this year. If Gulutzan is gone I may reconsider, but inconsistent results and generally uninspired play even when they win, I’ll just stick to watching at home for the most part.

I still have respect for Treliving, and would be shocked if he kept GG. But if his concern with stability is greater than his concern for competence, then he will be on the hot seat IMO.

[Gaskal]

What if we hire Torts after the Jackets let him go.. and he keeps Gully on as an assistant? Lol

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

What if we hire Torts after the Jackets let him go.. and he keeps Gully on as an assistant? Lol

Torts greatest trait would be lost in Calgary. He'd never get mad at the media because they would never antagonize him.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

As it stands with Gulutzan, Im not renewing my seats next year. It’s not a threat or anything, still a Flames fan hoping for the best from the team, but the entertainment value has just plummeted for me this year. If Gulutzan is gone I may reconsider, but inconsistent results and generally uninspired play even when they win, I’ll just stick to watching at home for the most part.

I still have respect for Treliving, and would be shocked if he kept GG. But if his concern with stability is greater than his concern for competence, then he will be on the hot seat IMO.

I did that this year, after having tix for over a decade. I had split season tix with three other guys, one was waffling and one was out. Partly economy, partly tough to get rid of tickets at STH price when you can’t go, mainly on ice product. Disappointingly, I don’t regret it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

I still think there is enough cap flexibility and good contracts here to improve big time this offseason.

Have you looked at this year's crop of pending UFAs? There's really nothing there that would help fix the Flames' issues at forward.

[browntrout]

This GM spent so many assets over the years to assemble by what all accounts is a good team on paper. I think if you asked most of the great NHL hockey minds in the nhl if the flames would make the playoffs, they would say yes!

I can't see Glen keeping his job if the flames don't make the playoffs.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

As it stands with Gulutzan, Im not renewing my seats next year. It’s not a threat or anything, still a Flames fan hoping for the best from the team, but the entertainment value has just plummeted for me this year. If Gulutzan is gone I may reconsider, but inconsistent results and generally uninspired play even when they win, I’ll just stick to watching at home for the most part.

I'm not renewing mine either. The games are way too boring and GG is a garbage coach

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The team has decided they have a core that can win.

With that if you want to manage a window it's better to add to the core with "Now" pieces or prospects that are ready than draft and wait for three to five years for those players to play a role.

Added to that logic is recent success.

They wouldn't be rolling the dice on a Hamonic acquisition if they didn't absolutely nail it in recent drafts. Getting Andersson, Kylington, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Parsons, Dube, Fox, Phillips, Valimaki, and then maybes in Ruzicka, Fischer and Joly is a pretty good haul.

I'm sure they're not getting too excited about the '17 late round picks yet, it's early, but of that total group it looks like they have 4 upper roster defenseman, a starter and another three forwards that will play.

That allows you to move picks to help out the now.

If they're wrong, if the core isn't the one to build around then it's a mistake, but I certainly see what they're doing.

And it doesn't get magically done in one off season.

Andersson, Kylington, Mangiapane,Parsons, Dube, Fox, Phillips, Valimaki, and then maybes in Ruzicka, Fischer and Joly is a pretty good haul......until one of these prospects you mentioned start to make an impact in the NHL, they are just that, prospects outside of the NHL. Not having a first or second this year followed by no 2nd or 3rds next year given the teams performance is an utter disappointment that is on the GM's hands.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Your premise is wrong here. Hartley did not have anywhere near the roster to work with that GG had this year. If GG couldn't make things work this year, it's foolhardy to believe the team would succeed with him in the future.

I don't think my premise is wrong at all. That 2015-16 team is very similar to this season in that the expectations were extremely high after sending a 1st, 2nd and 2nd for Dougie Hamilton. Also, Hartley had the chance to work with virtually the same core with Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Frolik, Hudler Giordano, Brodie, Hamilton, Russell and etc.

The team failed to live up to major expectations and we finished 26th in the overall standings. As much as we love the run he gave us in 2014-15, his coaching tactics are outdated which may be the reason why he's still out of NHL work.

As for your last point, I completely disagree. All I've been doing in this thread is answer or respond to questions and remarks and today I'll flip the table here:


If the majority of people here feel like the coach is 100% to blame or 90% or whatever percentage. How do you guys explain Jared Bednar's 48 point Colorado team of 16-17 vs his current 95 point pace team? Or how about Boucher's 98 point Senator team that was 1 win away from the Cup Finals last year to his current 69 point pace team? How are these records so different despite having virtually the same roster and coaching staff?


*Duchene will probably be mentioned a lot, so I'll just mention that the Avs with Duchene this season went 8-5.