[GT] Flames vs Avalanche

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don't need to watch it, you know.

Hartley had a few guys. Peak Hudler, better Brodie, Iggie when he still had some steam. Glencross was still scoring. Wideman was not an anchor.

You do also realize that Hartley's teams had comebacks because they were behind a lot? And that they lost a ton of those games?

What I know is that Hartley is in Latvia. He's so good that no one has offered him a job.

...this version of the Flames is behind a lot as well, and they don’t come back. So I mean, which would you Prefer?

At the same time though...why is anyone talking about Hartley? He coached a rubbish system, and he got rubbish results 3 of the 4 years he was here.

Gully isn’t a very good coach, I don’t think anyone is arguing he’s a good coach because there’s literally zero evidence that shows he is a good coach. That said, let’s not go crazy and say Hartley is better.

Hartley was bad in his own special, unique way.

Gulutzan is also bad, in all his own special and unique ways.

[crapshoot]

No matter what you think about the quality of the goals against, I feel a bit sad for Rittich, as he is right now failing on his big opportunity. As his draft pedigree is non-existent he will have a hard time getting any second chances, especially with the other goalies the flames are bringing up, so this is pretty much the worst possible outcome for Rittichs NHL career.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don't need to watch it, you know.

Hartley had a few guys. Peak Hudler, better Brodie, Iggie when he still had some steam. Glencross was still scoring. Wideman was not an anchor.

You do also realize that Hartley's teams had comebacks because they were behind a lot? And that they lost a ton of those games?

What I know is that Hartley is in Latvia. He's so good that no one has offered him a job.

LOL, who broke him then?

And no, I am not saying that Hartley is the answer here.

[Saint Troy]

Hard to be worse than Hamonic tonight, unprotected first for him is a disaster.

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So what is the answer? I know the majority want the coaching staff gone but it seems like this is a rinse and repeat solution that has not worked.

For who?

I don’t disagree, but I’m honestly interested..

Darryl? Who else out there?

I’m at a loss, I really am. There isn’t one thing you can point and say “that’s it”, you don’t hear rumours about the room, the Chucky issue was dealt with...

They just seem like they are weak, as a group. It’s weird.

[dino7c]

Hartley wasn't a good coach...not saying GG is either

People keep saying how much talent we have but IDK the forward lines don't look too impressive to me right now

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don't need to watch it, you know.

Hartley had a few guys. Peak Hudler, better Brodie, Iggie when he still had some steam. Glencross was still scoring. Wideman was not an anchor.

Hartley didn't have "better Brodie" - he utilized Brodie better.

As for Iginla, we had missed the playoffs three straight seasons and missed training camp for the handful of games that Hartley had him.

As for Hudler and Glencross, that is some serious reaching. Every terrible team has guys like that.

And Wideman not being anchor might have had something to do with Hartley's system ya know.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Weird. Flames were totally in control until the tkachuk penalty. Need to get going again.

Tkachuk also had pretty poor forechecking on the 4th goal. Backlund was the only one doing anything in the offensive zone.

[Classic_Sniper]

The sheer stupidity of our players is sadly why this team is failing. All season long we’ve seen bad untimely penalties that have cost us big in games. Yesterday Bennett takes a mindless offensive zone penalty and we give up a goal and we couldn’t recover.

Tonight, Tkachuk takes a dumb needless penalty and the Avs in turn score and turn the whole game around. Then we get a PP with a chance to get back in it and Dougie takes another penalty that negates our PP and we get scored on shortly after.

I just can’t understand the sheer stupidity of this team at times. The refs are not our friends and we continually so undisciplined. We don’t have a good enough PK to get us out of trouble. Just a young team lacking brains all season long.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Is it too late to fire gully this year?

Interesting to bring up.

The Flames need to go 11-5-1 to get to 96 points if tonight is a loss.

Say the Flames drop the next 2/3 games. Do you release GG, bring in a coach (Sutter/ect) who has 10+ games to implement his system and get the team ready for next season.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hartley wasn't a good coach...not saying GG is either

People keep saying how much talent we have but IDK the forward lines don't look too impressive to me right now

We have two good forward lines. And then just two bad lines. Which is even worse with Ferland out and Bennett on the top line.

And tonight the first line is off so you have 3 bad lines and the Backlund line.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This club looks like a team that has no confidence in their goaltending.

Understandable....but unfortunate.

Yeah, both goalies are letting in dumb goals.

At least Jon is a brick wall otherwise. But he's got the night off cause of a B2B.

[Robbob]

Good first shift

[dissentowner]

I really detest that horn the Av's play when they score. Like a reminder the dryer is done...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Hard to be worse than Hamonic tonight, unprotected first for him is a disaster.

Nah, he has been mostly good...especially in 2018

a bunch of teams just gave up firsts for a rental

[Serapth]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

Tkachuk has to give his head a shake after this game. He took a very stupid penalty that lead to a major momentum shift.

Tkachuk made a mistake, but he draws so many more penalties than he takes he easily gets a pass from me. Yeah, that one was dumb, but the fallout is not on him and he needs to play with edge to be great. 99.6% of the time he’s smart... I’ll gladly suffer the 0.4% of fallout.

Hell Tkachuck and Smith are the two huge reasons why I havent just given up in disgust already.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...this version of the Flames is behind a lot as well, and they don’t come back. So I mean, which would you Prefer?

At the same time though...why is anyone talking about Hartley? He coached a rubbish system, and he got rubbish results 3 of the 4 years he was here.

Gully isn’t a very good coach, I don’t think anyone is arguing he’s a good coach because there’s literally zero evidence that shows he is a good coach. That said, let’s not go crazy and say Hartley is better.

Hartley was bad in his own special, unique way.

Gulutzan is also bad, in all his own special and unique ways.

That's my issue, way more than defending GG. I happen to think a lot of these comments about GG are in large part from people still sore that Hartley was fired. Just like a bunch of Treliving criticism was really about Feaster.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This club looks like a team that has no confidence in their goaltending.

Understandable....but unfortunate.

You lose your MVP....

The top guys and leaders have to step it up and be elite.

That hasn’t happened.

[AC]

Tkachuk with another dumb penalty.... Jesus kid.

[Robbob]

Brutal