[Rumour] Are the Flames eyeing a couple names on the Sabres?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Okposo is awful, and is a Bobby Ryan level salary dump.

No he isnt.

He may be having a bad season, but that entire team is a train wreck.

the guy is a legit 60 point power RW.

How is 6 million a bad salary when we just finished giving Backlund 700K less a year for far less production?

[cofias]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No he isnt.

He may be having a bad season, but that entire team is a train wreck.

the guy is a legit 60 point power RW.

How is 6 million a bad salary when we just finished giving Backlund 700K less a year for far less production?

Horrible comparison as Backlund is one of the best defensive/two-way forwards in the league.

I still think it may be worth the gamble to buy low on Okposo. Would sting badly if he does not rebound though.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No he isnt.

He may be having a bad season, but that entire team is a train wreck.

the guy is a legit 60 point power RW.

How is 6 million a bad salary when we just finished giving Backlund 700K less a year for far less production?

Because the dip in production over the last two seasons comes after he was clearly propped up by Tavares.

So that roll of the dice is six million per season for FOUR more seasons after this where he's entering his 30s.

Between the health issue, the decline in production and his awful 2-way play, it's an awful risk tying up that much money with the players we'll be looking to sign over the next few seasons.

You can argue the player might not be declining (debatable) but the contract is awful and a huge risk.

[memphusk]

Brouwer gets 4.5 and is good at nothing. Fact.

[Split98]

Working with Buffalo, there's no player I can really get excited about

Okposo - Needs to be cheaper

Kane - This is not a player I can see positively contributing to the locker room nor working with Treliving on a team-friendly contract. He wants to be paid, and I don't think he's the kind of player who cares which team pays him. His contract demands are going to upset Gaudreau, Monahan and Gio - while also hurting us when it comes time to meet Tkachuk at the table.

Reinhart - I can't see them giving him up without us having to give up something promising (like Fox). I don't think that trading for him will be something we don't regret down the road.

ROR - Way way too much money. It's downright silly how much they're paying him.



Basically, if we can somehow get anyone on the list long-term on a deal that still allows us to re-sign all the critical players coming up then sure. But any deal that's fair on both sides isn't all that attractive for the Flames.

[flamesforcup]

We could use another 60 point player in Kane. I would be open to it. Doubt we have the assets to get Reinhart or ROR like other people in this thread are suggesting

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Because the dip in production over the last two seasons comes after he was clearly propped up by Tavares.

So that roll of the dice is six million per season for FOUR more seasons after this where he's entering his 30s.

Between the health issue, the decline in production and his awful 2-way play, it's an awful risk tying up that much money with the players we'll be looking to sign over the next few seasons.

You can argue the player might not be declining (debatable) but the contract is awful and a huge risk.

He is on pace for 50 pts this season...was on a 57 pt pace last year...on truly bad hockey teams.

Im not advocating acquiring him or not, but he is neither a "bad" player nor a liability. Oh, and he fills a huge hole on the club at that.

He would have been the 3rd leading pt getter on this team last year at his pace, and is less than a year older than Backlund....who just signed for an even longer time than Okposo would be here at almost the same dough.

Sure his numbers may be a bit better playing with a guy like Tavares...who's wouldnt. Doesn't mean he is not a very good hockey player in his own right...because he is.

[FlamesAddiction]

Out of the players mentioned, I would like ROR the most, but they would either need to take Brouwer or retain salary. Not sure Brouwer would waive to go to that mess though.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He is on pace for 50 pts this season...was on a 57 pt pace last year...on truly bad hockey teams.

Im not advocating acquiring him or not, but he is neither a "bad" player nor a liability. Oh, and he fills a huge hole on the club at that.

He would have been the 3rd leading pt getter on this team last year at his pace, and is less than a year older than Backlund....who just signed for an even longer time than Okposo would be here at almost the same dough.

Sure his numbers may be a bit better playing with a guy like Tavares...who's wouldnt. Doesn't mean he is not a very good hockey player in his own right...because he is.

You originally asked how adding a six million dollar salary for a player with his points is bad when we just paid for Backlund. It's because we just paid Backlund and have several other young players who will command big money that it's a massive gamble.

He might be a very good hockey player at the moment but his contract isn't, especially relative to our cap situation moving forward.

[Timbo]

I think there is nothing to see here.

[flambers]

ROR is a natural center, no clue why the Flames would target that position

Kane would make sense if they could sign him

[dammage79]

Why does Every. Single. Player. Have to be a boy scout? Flames have enough boy scouts to deal with whatever potential (and mass speculatated) issues he may bring.

If the Flames get him, they'll have done their homework.

Honest question, has Treliving really screwed up in that department? and even if he did just once, is the players skillset good enough to balance out? Im not sure how I feel about getting Kane other than I know he can play hockey with the best in the world. I trust Trelivings judgement.

[sureLoss]

FWIW, the Sabres have scratched Evander Kane and Josh Georges for their game today.

Johnson is starting in net and Lehner backing up.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by flambers

ROR is a natural center, no clue why the Flames would target that position

Kane would make sense if they could sign him

It’s if you want an upgrade on a scoring third line. I would have to assume Jankowski would be out if RoR was in. That said, a scoring winger makes more sense, but upgrading the C position doesn’t seem out of the question.

[Roof-Daddy]

Im not as worried about kanes potential personality issues as i am with his complete drop in production after being taken off Eichels line.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You originally asked how adding a six million dollar salary for a player with his points is bad when we just paid for Backlund. It's because we just paid Backlund and have several other young players who will command big money that it's a massive gamble.

He might be a very good hockey player at the moment but his contract isn't, especially relative to our cap situation moving forward.

No..I didnt.

I was asking how Okposos salary is a bad one in COMPARISON to a guy we just signed to a longer term who produces less and is less than a year younger.

But in your own words that Okposos' deal isn't very good...then what does that make Backlunds even longer deal?

[Insane_Flame]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW, the Sabres have scratched Evander Kane and Josh Georges for their game today.

Johnson is starting in net and Lehner backing up.

hmmmm very interesting.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Im not as worried about kanes potential personality issues as i am with his complete drop in production after being taken off Eichels line.

That said, the prospect of Kane playing with Johnny is a bit tantalizing.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Im not as worried about kanes potential personality issues as i am with his complete drop in production after being taken off Eichels line.

I'm not. he's going to one of two lines, the top line with Money and Johnny, or down to janko who will have an experienced shooter who he can dish the puck to. Being with Janko is a bit of a gamble but I like Kane there more than the players he has lined up with off of Eichels line.

[It's a great day 4 hockey]

Here's my thoughts on a deal with Buffalo;

Bennett, Brodie, Fox, and Brouwer for Kane, Reinhart and O'Reilly (with 15% retained). If no O'Reilly then no Fox and we get Okposo at 50%. Sign Kane to no more than 4 years at current rate and he gets nothing as far as a no trade.

Just a thought.