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Royle9 · 02-23-2018, 10:50 AM

Treliving may not have been at the game last night but he definitely made the trip with the team to Phoenix. If you watch yesterday's game-day video's more specificaly the Glue Gun interview you can clearly see players walking behind him with what I presume is breakfast.

At one point you'll see Treliving coming and going as well.

Signed

Nancy Drew and the Hard Boys Investigation team.

SuperMatt18 · 02-23-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Lol. LA and Nashville were playing great going into playoffs. There is nothing from this season that tells me the flames could win a 7 game series. Only if Smith stands in his head can I see them winning in first round.

And don't ever call me a "fair weather fan". I was in the corral for the flames first season and have never stopped cheering since.

After 62 games:

17/18 Flames: 31-22-9 71 points
16/17 Predators: 31-22-9 71 points
13/14 Kings: 34-22-6 74 points (6 SO wins vs 2 for this team)
11/12 Kings: 28-22-12 68 points

It's not as far apart as you think.

IgiTang · 02-23-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

How were they in February those years?

Im not sure how there records were just before the deadline but I can assure you the expectation was that they would be in the dance and all signs pointed towards as such.. EDIT: See them posted above while i was typing this.

With the Flames, the expectation is there but im not certain all signs are pointing towards them making the dance.

This debate reminds me of the gong show at Christmas in Edmonton and Letestu saying (paraphrasing) "guys are kidding themselves if they think we are making the playoffs" and then they go to Connor saying "we are going to make the playoffs"... The vet seen the writing on the wall and the kid was delusional in his thinking..

I think BT needs to hedge his bets here... Listen, making the playoffs is a large leap from winning the cup.. I know, get in and anything can happen.. But I think we can all agree that the Flames are close but not quite there when it comes to competing for a cup.

So why not get ready for next season and make a few cutthroat or savvy moves to maybe make the dance now and make the owners some extra dough but also be in a better spot next season with an improved roster for the next head coach?

GoJetsGo · 02-23-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Royle9

Treliving may not have been at the game last night but he definitely made the trip with the team to Phoenix.

Signed

Nancy Drew and the Hard Boys Investigation team.

What gave it away? The part where the post opened with saying that?

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Wills says that while Treliving was travelling with the team on the road trip, he wasn't at the game last night.

In all seriousness I'm sure he's working the phones as hard as any GM in the league. Just not sure anything big happens as he's shown he usually likes to get trades done in advance. With the prices being speculated, I'd be surprised if we see anything major. Either way trade deadline day always has the Christmas Eve feeling.

Bar-Down · 02-23-2018, 10:59 AM

The dream would be to get Mark Stone somehow.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Tkachuk - Backlund - Bennett
Frolik - Jankowski - Ferland
Brouwer/Hathaway - Lazar - Versteeg
Stajan

Gio - Hamilton
Andersson - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

Flames: Mark Stone
Ottawa: Brodie, Fox, 2019 1st

Would that be enough? I don't know...

kyuss275 · 02-23-2018, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

After 62 games:

17/18 Flames: 31-22-9 71 points
16/17 Predators: 31-22-9 71 points
13/14 Kings: 34-22-6 74 points (6 SO wins vs 2 for this team)
11/12 Kings: 28-22-12 68 points

It's not as far apart as you think.

Those stats only show partial part of the story.

What about how many points did the other teams have?
How many games played by other teams they were fighting against?
How were the other teams trending at the time?

dissentowner · 02-23-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Royle9

Treliving may not have been at the game last night but he definitely made the trip with the team to Phoenix. If you watch yesterday's game-day video's more specificaly the Glue Gun interview you can clearly see players walking behind him with what I presume is breakfast.

At one point you'll see Treliving coming and going as well.

Signed

Nancy Drew and the Hard Boys Investigation team.

Just so you are aware using the term "glue gun" is considered a banable offense.

SuperMatt18 · 02-23-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nemanja2306

As for your Nashville comparison, it's not valid at all as you forgot that they actually did a retool with the Subban and Johanssen trades.

Those trades were both before the season started. Johanssen in the 15/16 season and Subban before the 16/17 seasons started.

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Those stats only show partial part of the story.

What about how many points did the other teams have?
How many games played by other teams they were fighting against?
How were the other teams trending at the time?

That doesn't matter. This team is a single point out of the playoffs - if they have a shot to get in then you probably shouldn't blow it up.

After 62 games those teams had identical 31-22-9 records. They also had identical records after 51 games - so have played at the same pace over the last 11 games (25-18-8).

Digging into the deeper stats there were only 3 major differences between the teams. 5v5 Shooting Percentage (Nashville 0.5% better), Powerplay, PK. Everything else is similar. Flames are actually the better 5v5 team outside of their shooting percentage and if the PP is fixed now with the proper players that has a chance to catch up.

Flames

Regular Stats
GF:175 (15th)
GA: 179 (18th)
PP: 18.5 (23rd)
PK: 79.8 (17th)

5v5 Advanced Stats
CF%: 52.3% (4th)
High Danger Chances: 54.3% (4th)
Scoring Chances For: 52.4% (6th)
5V5 GF: 114 (15th)
Shooting Percentage: 7.24% (20th)
5V5 GA: 112 (13th)
Save Percentage: .9257 (13th)

Predators

Regular Stats
GF:181 (9th)
GA: 170 (17th)
PP: 20.5 (5th)
PK: 81.6 (13th)

5v5 Advanced Stats
CF%: 51.4% (6th)
High Danger Chances: 52.8% (7th)
Scoring Chances For: 50.8% (12th)
5V5 GF: 120 (9th)
Shooting Percentage: 7.75% (14th)
5V5 GA: 110 (13th)
Save Percentage: .9242 (12th)

But you're right we should totally blow this team up. They were nothing like Nashville last year.

Edit: Actually the real main difference this year might be that we have one more team in our division. That just happen to be first in the division. So unlike the Preds last year who snuck into 4th, the Flames sit 5th.

kyuss275 · 02-23-2018, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Those trades were both before the season started. Johanssen in the 15/16 season and Subban before the 16/17 seasons started.

That doesn't matter. This team is a single point out of the playoffs - if they have a shot to get in then you probably shouldn't blow it up.

After 62 games those teams had identical 31-22-9 records.

Digging into the deeper stats there were only 3 major differences between the teams. 5v5 Shooting Percentage (Nashville 0.5% better), Powerplay, PK. Everything else is similar. Flames are actually the better 5v5 team outside of their shooting percentage and if the PP is fixed now with the proper players that has a chance to catch up.

Flames

Regular Stats
GF:175 (15th)
GA: 179 (18th)
PP: 18.5 (23rd)
PK: 79.8 (17th)

5v5 Advanced Stats
CF%: 52.3% (4th)
High Danger Chances: 54.3% (4th)
Scoring Chances For: 52.4% (6th)
5V5 GF: 114 (15th)
Shooting Percentage: 7.24% (20th)
5V5 GA: 112 (13th)
Save Percentage: .9257 (13th)

Predators

Regular Stats
GF:181 (9th)
GA: 170 (17th)
PP: 20.5 (5th)
PK: 81.6 (13th)

5v5 Advanced Stats
CF%: 51.4% (6th)
High Danger Chances: 52.8% (7th)
Scoring Chances For: 50.8% (12th)
5V5 GF: 120 (9th)
Shooting Percentage: 7.75% (14th)
5V5 GA: 110 (13th)
Save Percentage: .9242 (12th)

But you're right we should totally blow this team up. They were nothing like Nashville last year.

Edit: Actually the real main difference this year might be that we have one more team in our division. That just happen to be first in the division. So unlike the Preds last year who snuck into 4th, the Flames sit 5th.

How does trading Ferland equal to "blowing it up"?
This team has to much money on D and needs to allocate it the forward ranks this summer.

SuperMatt18 · 02-23-2018, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

How does trading Ferland equal to "blowing it up"?
This team has to much money on D and needs to allocate it the forward ranks this summer.

Your initial post mentioned Ferland & Stone, plus that we should have waited on re-signing Backlund. Also wanting to trade Brodie at the draft.

That is 4 pretty big pieces you wanted to move out. Plus other people in this thread have mentioned blowing it up so not only directed at you.

I also don't disagree we need to re-shape the roster a little bit, especially since we have the prospects on defense to replace him but I don't think the GM should over-react to this season and change course completely.

Stajan comes off the books, trade Stone, do something (anything) with Brouwer and use some of that money for reinforcements up front.

Royle9 · 02-23-2018, 11:25 AM

To G2G - you missed the sarcasm, I'm quite aware of what the post said which is why I referenced the terrible investigative work done by those 2. It wasn't meant to be a serious post.. oh well.

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Just so you are aware using the term "glue gun" is considered a banable offense.

Not sure if serious, but if so I had no idea and guess I will refrain from using it moving forward.. yikes.

colbym72 · 02-23-2018, 11:26 AM

Travis Yost @travisyost
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Per sources: Ottawa in serious discussions to engage third and fourth-party teams to further develop an Erik Karlsson trade. Working to include Bobby Ryan.

An initial attempt at engaging a third-team has opened more doors. Still an extremely fluid situation here. Tampa Bay remains the only real trade target at this time to land Erik Karlsson.

The sense is that this trade could look absolutely massive if it happens before the Monday deadline. Tampa Bay is working Ottawa extremely hard and has been for three days now.

There is no belief at this time that Erik Karlsson can be retained in Ottawa long-term. So the situation has become binary -- a trade here, or a trade in June.

I do not believe Ottawa and Tampa Bay are far apart. And I do believe that Tampa Bay is seriously considering the Bobby Ryan trade piece (and engaging third or fourth teams) so as to avoid moving major pieces from current roster.

Yzerman and Dorion have been consistently engaged in trade talks for at least three days, and I don't believe they are miles apart. It's going to come down to making financials work here.

GranteedEV · 02-23-2018, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

After 62 games:

17/18 Flames: 31-22-9 71 points
16/17 Predators: 31-22-9 71 points
13/14 Kings: 34-22-6 74 points (6 SO wins vs 2 for this team)
11/12 Kings: 28-22-12 68 points

It's not as far apart as you think.

I don't disagree that if a good team rolls into the playoffs, seeding does not matter. However

1) Gulutzan was among the worst Flames in last year's playoffs with absolutely crippling decision making in four consecutive games. Sutter and Laviolette are probably two of the best coaches to ever do it, ever. Gulutzan has yet to show he can match wits with Randy Carlyle.

2) The 2014-15 and 2016-17 Kings did not make the playoffs. Unfortunately being a team made for the dance means nothing if you're not in the dance and right now this team looks like they will be on the outside looking in barring ANOTHER improbable win streak.

3) If they do go on such a win streak, there will be an inevitable "down" period that will line up with the playoffs.

Overall, I don't think we should be sellers because we have nothing left to sell besides Matt Stajan. I don't think we should be buyers because we have no assets to buy with and no assurance they will be put to any good use. People talking about selling cost controlled assets like Bennett, Ferland, or Brodie are not rational. Two would be gross sell-lows and the other would be at best a lateral trade given some of the returns bandied about.

At the moment sucking it up and playing out the string seems like the only realistic play as far as the deadline goes.

sureLoss · 02-23-2018, 11:35 AM

LeBrun speculating that Bennett would be of interest to Ottawa and Montreal for Hoffman, Pacioretty, or Galchenyuk.

But he doesn't believe the Flames have any appetite to move Bennett.

dammage79 · 02-23-2018, 11:42 AM

Kind of want the Flames to land Galchenyuk for something other than Bennett.

JurassicTunga12 · 02-23-2018, 11:43 AM

Hoffman or Galchenyuk would be very good, imo.

shutout · 02-23-2018, 11:50 AM

Take Galchenyuk and Pacioretty for Bennett.

The Boy Wonder · 02-23-2018, 11:52 AM

I hope they don't move Bennett for any of the above

djsFlames · 02-23-2018, 11:52 AM

No to Pacioretty.

Galchenyuk is far more proven than Bennett and also young. But we're already stacked on the left side. You'd think they want someone who can help the right side that happens to also shoot right.

Hoffman is also a much more proven NHLer, but is 6 years older. On the plus side you get more help now, fills a dire need, and he'll be good for a few years yet, whereas in retaining Bennett you'd be waiting who knows how long for him to figure out how to produce consistently (if he even does), and while last night was great, let's now allow a 2 point night beside Gaudreau to make us lose sight of his overall season and consistency struggles.

I'd say the latter two options are worth considering at least.

dissentowner · 02-23-2018, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Royle9

To G2G - you missed the sarcasm, I'm quite aware of what the post said which is why I referenced the terrible investigative work done by those 2. It wasn't meant to be a serious post.. oh well.

Not sure if serious, but if so I had no idea and guess I will refrain from using it moving forward.. yikes.

Ok, it technically isn't but most of us think it should be.