The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

I don't think our system allows us to use our speed. We sit back in the d zone trying to set up the 5 man breakout. The teams that scorch us dont wait for that they breakout with stretch passes or the d will just fly it in himself. We have the personnel to do this as good as any team in the league, however the dumb coach doesn't play the team that way. We need a coach who is going to play to our strengths. We also need to create and identity. The only thing I can identify our play with under Gukutzan is "boring".

So when Gaudreau blows the zone for a stretch pass/breakaway every other game, that's what exactly? Why hasn't Gulutzan benched Gaudreau yet? The coaching staff doesn't forbid stretch passes, it's just that's there's only one player on this team quick enough and skilled enough to do so. Look at our wingers and tell me who else has breakaway speed? No one. We need quicker and more talented wingers rather than a lot all the grinders we have right now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

So when Gaudreau blows the zone for a stretch pass/breakaway every other game, that's what exactly? Why hasn't Gulutzan benched Gaudreau yet? The coaching staff doesn't forbid stretch passes, it's just that's there's only one player on this team quick enough and skilled enough to do so. Look at our wingers and tell me who else has breakaway speed? No one. We need quicker and more talented wingers rather than a lot all the grinders we have right now.

No, there is not only one player that is quick enough to blow the zone.

They don't do it because it is not part of their gameplan to do it until they are down 2 goals.

[ComixZone]

How I see the coaching carousel playing out this summer (or at least how I hope it plays out):

Chicago
Fires: Joel Quenville
Hires: Kevin Dineen
Reason: Chicago sees what LA did with promoting from within and follow suit.

New York Rangers
Fires: Alain Vigneault
Hires: Joel Quenneville
Reason: The Rangers get their "Mike Babcock" as they rebuild with some haste.

Calgary Flames
Fires: Glen Gulutzan
Hires: Alain Vigneault
Reason: Flames miss the playoffs, and after just rebuilding their roster, the coach gets replaced due to systemic failures.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

They actually have several players that are similar to Gaudreau. Guys like Marchessault who is above a ppg, Perron is also above ppg, Reilly Smith and Erik Haula are close, William Karlsson is already at 30 goals and then you have a historically good sniper like James Neal to round out their top 6. That basically have 2 - 1st lines and we don't.

How badly did William Karlsson make Monahan look yesterday on that breakaway he had? If we had more forwards with some speed like Gaudreau does, we'd be in better shape is what I'm saying. We have one guy, maybe 2 with Tkachuk who can consistently create plays and create their own shot whereas Vegas and other elite teams have plenty.

KA-BOOM!

This Just In! THE LAS VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS ARE A BETTER TEAM THAN THE FLAMES!

4 forwards over 50 points compared to Calgary's 2. 2 players over a point per game to Calgary's 1.

Ferland's 20 goals would be good enough to tie for 5th on their roster in goals (with Reilly smith, who has 53 points compared to Ferland's 34...)

To believe the Flames would be producing more offense than Las Vegas is to believe that with a different coach, Backlund would be over a point per game over the course of 60 games. To believe the Flames would be producing more offense with a different coach is to believe that Michael Frolik, who has never scored 20, would somehow have 21 goals through 60 games.

I don't know how people can watch games like that or the one against Tampa or against Boston or against the Leafs and say "yeah, we can hang with these guys". The Flames don't have close to that kind of depth, not even close.

Dougie with 36 points is the 4th highest scorer on the roster.

Colin Miller, with 33 points, is Las Vegas' SEVENTH highest scorer. AND THEY HAVE TWO DEFENDERS WITH 30 POINTS.

The Flames do not have enough talent up front to be competitive, and they have way too much salary on defense to be able to address it in a significant way.

That Vegas team is paying Clarkson and Grabovski 10 million dollars not to play for them.

The Flames are paying Stajan and Brouwer close to the same to be active roster players.

This is where I just absolutely shake my head at some posters who continually whine about the coach. The Flames are a salary imbalanced roster without nearly enough scoring punch up front, and they've been like this for two calendar years now.

This team is a pretender, not a contender, and GG is low on the list of problems facing the organization right now.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Totally agree. Im known as a pessimistic poster but we honestly dont have enough talent to make the playoffs. Stajan, Lazar, Bennett, Brodie, Kulak, Hathaway, are all garbage and we wont be good until they drastically improve or are gone. Ferland has disappeared the last how many games as well. Hes a pretender ship him off. If he isnr playing with monahan gaudreau he doesnt score 5 even

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Sell off everything and start the rebuild

[The Fonz]

Please, baby Jesus, let us land 1 of Trotz, Quenneville, or Vigneault this offseason.

[mrdonkey]

At this point I think I'm ready to see a rebuild of the rebuild. This team just doesn't have the horses to win the Cup and has mortgaged way too many pieces of the future to end up with this Brent Sutter trash. Things are just going to get worse from here.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

KA-BOOM!

This Just In! THE LAS VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS ARE A BETTER TEAM THAN THE FLAMES!

4 forwards over 50 points compared to Calgary's 2. 2 players over a point per game to Calgary's 1.


The Flames do not have enough talent up front to be competitive, and they have way too much salary on defense to be able to address it in a significant way.


This is where I just absolutely shake my head at some posters who continually whine about the coach. The Flames are a salary imbalanced roster without nearly enough scoring punch up front, and they've been like this for two calendar years now.

This team is a pretender, not a contender, and GG is low on the list of problems facing the organization right now.

Doesn't players point production depend on coaching?

Vegas should not be better than the Flames. There is no way you or anyone would've taken that roster over the Flames to begin the season. So why are they better?

My biggest fear is that the organization has this mindset and purges the best core of young players we've seen for decades, rather than just spending the money on a proven experienced coach that will take them to the next level.

[Manhattanboy]

Agree with FW but coaching is fairly high up the problem list in my view. We are likely stuck with the core of this roster over the next few years so badly need a guy that has the best chances of getting the group to over-achieve most nights.

[kukkudo]

Wait now all of a sudden our roster is not good to make the playoffs? Somebody should let Burke and Treliving know that. Vegas was supposed to be a bottom feeding team.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Doesn't players point production depend on coaching?

Vegas should not be better than the Flames. There is no way you or anyone would've taken that roster over the Flames to begin the season. So why are they better?

My biggest fear is that the organization has this mindset and purges the best core of young players we've seen for decades, rather than just spending the money on a proven experienced coach that will take them to the next level.

Deryk Engelland is on pace to double his career best numbers at the ripe age of 35.
Pretty much every player in Vegas is having a career year.

It's time to make some deals with Vegas, bring those stars home. They will flourish even further under GG and Cameron.

[nemanja2306]

How can anyone defend Gulutzan after everything...

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[The Boy Wonder]

Flames do have the talent. It's just not being deployed properly. Ferland and frolik should be bumped down to the third line and Bennett and tkachuk should both move up a line and idk put someone else on the second line wing.

Skill isn't this teams issue. It's the rigid system that doesn't allow them to play

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Wait now all of a sudden our roster is not good to make the playoffs? Somebody should let Burke and Treliving know that. Vegas was supposed to be a bottom feeding team.

Remains to be seen. Under the present coaching regime, likely not. Would be interesting to see where the team would be today had they canned GG last November. I think management concluded there were no good replacements available at the time, and they were not prepared to promote any of the Stockton coaching staff.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Flames do have the talent. It's just not being deployed properly. Ferland and frolik should be bumped down to the third line and Bennett and tkachuk should both move up a line and idk put someone else on the second line wing.

Skill isn't this teams issue. It's the rigid system that doesn't allow them to play

Skill on the right side has been a hole since Iggy left. Hilarious that the center and right wing woes have completely reversed

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by saXon

Skill on the right side has been a hole since Iggy left. Hilarious that the center and right wing woes have completely reversed

It is pretty funny in a way. But I mean why not convert Bennett to RW? He's absolutely skilled enough for it. But there's no way this coaching staff is willing to try something that crazy

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Doesn't players point production depend on coaching?

Vegas should not be better than the Flames. There is no way you or anyone would've taken that roster over the Flames to begin the season. So why are they better?

My biggest fear is that the organization has this mindset and purges the best core of young players we've seen for decades, rather than just spending the money on a proven experienced coach that will take them to the next level.

Fact: Vegas is better than the Flames
Fact: Vegas is better than 30 other teams
Fact: If the season ended today, they would be awarded the President's Trophy as the best team in the league

No one thought that this Vegas team was going to better than the Flames. But they are better and they're the best right now and everyone needs to deal with that. That doesn't mean the Flames are bad, it just means Vegas is really good. Their GM George McPhee built a great team for today's game. That's all it is. Gallant doesn't even need to match lines, he just throws them out there willy nilly, that's how good they are.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

We hired a Canucks assistant with zero history of success, we’re getting what we paid for.

Coming into this season, he's a career 0.554 pts% coach over 3 seasons as head coach.

2011-12 = 0.542 pts%
2012-13 = 0.500 pts%
2016-17 = 0.573 pts%
2017-18 = 0.565 pst%


The last 2 seasons are his best work. The Flames are getting more than what they paid for .

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

At this point I think I'm ready to see a rebuild of the rebuild. This team just doesn't have the horses to win the Cup and has mortgaged way too many pieces of the future to end up with this Brent Sutter trash. Things are just going to get worse from here.

How have they given WAY to many pieces of the future? Two draft pics this year where they still have time to recoup the second (IMO)?

Ready for a rebuild of a rebuild? lol, you don't have the patience.