2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

He did trade a 1st round pick for Paul freaking Gaustad.

He also did make a big splash by acquiring Peter Forsberg for essentially 2 former 1st round picks, a 1st round pick and a 3rd

Seems to have learned since then though.

Yeah, he overpaid for Gaustad, but then he also extended him and he spent 5 years in the organization, so not really a rental.

[djsFlames]

I think they'll snag Kane or one of the Rangers.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

He did trade a 1st round pick for Paul freaking Gaustad.

And that first round pick ended up being none other than Mark Jankowski.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah - probably need to include another one of the top prospects from that group to really close it off. So 3 of those prospects instead of only 2.

I really don't see who matches that though - most contenders don't have the top end prospect depth that Tampa Bay has.

Let's look at contenders.

Tampa Bay: As Discussed

Nashville: Not sure they want to disrupt that backend again. Although they do have similar propsect depth that the Lightning have and could waive one of Ellis or Ekholm if they really wanted.

Boston: Maybe a fit here but much like Tampa Bay no way they include McAvoy.

Vegas: Don't have the assets to give away at this point IMO.

Winnipeg: Pretty loaded at RD and tend to be stingy with their assets.

Toronto: This is an interesting one but they probably have to be willing to move one of Marner or Nylander which is doubtful IMO.

Washington: Don't see them having the assets.

Really tough to put together a package like Tampa that can give up a good player now (Palat) and roster d-man that is still young, plus a plethora of picks and high end prospects.

That’s why this feels like a summertime move to me. Unless a team steps up on the overpay.

My ask if I am Ottawa is Sergachev, Point, 2 1sts. That is far from the offer you tabled. The answer is somewhere in between but Palat does nothing for the Sens and a bunch of decent prospects wouldn’t impress me if I am Dorion.

At the draft there will be a lot more teams in the mix.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That’s why this feels like a summertime move to me. Unless a team steps up on the overpay.

My ask if I am Ottawa is Sergachev, Point, 2 1sts. That is far from the offer you tabled. The answer is somewhere in between but Palat does nothing for the Sens and a bunch of decent prospects wouldn’t impress me if I am Dorion.

At the draft there will be a lot more teams in the mix.

I think that ask from Ottawa would be their walk away point and they would need to see Tampa taking on the ryan salary as well. Especially since those 1st rounders are actually close to 2nds.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That’s why this feels like a summertime move to me. Unless a team steps up on the overpay.

My ask if I am Ottawa is Sergachev, Point, 2 1sts. That is far from the offer you tabled. The answer is somewhere in between but Palat does nothing for the Sens and a bunch of decent prospects wouldn’t impress me if I am Dorion.

At the draft there will be a lot more teams in the mix.

That is way too much for Karlsson I wouldn't trade Sergachev and Point for him let alone add two 1sts.

[Buff]

I'm no good at this trade proposal thing (I don't play NHL18... well not often) but I'd like to see the Flames land Karlsson. So here we go:

Bennett, Brodie, 2019 1st, Andersson, Gillies.
for
Karlsson

Actually, that trade can't happen. Karlsson shoots right and Brodie shoots left. Gulutzan's alignment of defensemen would go out the window.

See? I'm no good at making trades!

[Roof-Daddy]

For the Flames to land Karlsson (if they so desire), the most plausible scenario I can see for that to happen would be a deal involving Hamilton plus a little extra from the Flames.

Flames get the obviously more dynamic right shooting defenseman, who is a little older and more expensive.

Ottawa gets a very good young right shooting offensive Dman who is cost controlled for 3 more seasons after this one, and in the process pick up a little extra as well save a ton of money, which seems to be a recurring theme in Ottawa.

What the plus would be I don't know, but other than that I just don't see the Flames having the assets to pull it off.

[dammage79]

Trade Brodie in a deal for some scoring help, find a palpable deal for Nick Hjallmersson and call it a day. Upgrade on pairing #2 left side and we can all sleep at night.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

For the Flames to land Karlsson (if they so desire), the most plausible scenario I can see for that to happen would be a deal involving Hamilton plus a little extra from the Flames.

Flames get the obviously more dynamic right shooting defenseman, who is a little older and more expensive.

Ottawa gets a very good young right shooting offensive Dman who is cost controlled for 3 more seasons after this one, and in the process pick up a little extra as well save a ton of money, which seems to be a recurring theme in Ottawa.

What the plus would be I don't know, but other than that I just don't see the Flames having the assets to pull it off.

Wasn't it reported that the Sens want 5-6 pieces rather than a big piece and a small add? That being said as much as I like Karlsson I would rather hang on to Dougie.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Trade Brodie in a deal for some scoring help, find a palpable deal for Nick Hjallmersson and call it a day. Upgrade and pairing #2 left side and we can all sleep at night.

I would absolutely be ecstatic if that happened.

[dammage79]

I feel like Hjallmersson was the link that tied it all together on Chicago's d corps, he's the quintessential solid guy you rely on to give the top pairing a breather in key situations. I'm not even sure at this point swapping Hjal for Brodie would results in a dip on offense but it would sure bolster stable defensive play.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah - probably need to include another one of the top prospects from that group to really close it off. So 3 of those prospects instead of only 2.

I really don't see who matches that though - most contenders don't have the top end prospect depth that Tampa Bay has.

Let's look at contenders...

Really tough to put together a package like Tampa that can give up a good player now (Palat) and roster d-man that is still young, plus a plethora of picks and high end prospects.

The Blues.

Roster: Robby Fabbri, Vince Dunn
Prospects: Robert Thomas, Jake Walman
Picks: 2018 2nd

Looks better than the TB package.

[sureLoss]

McKenzie's take on the Karlsson talk:

https://www.tsn.ca/sens-considering-...ions-1.1006645

From the Senators’ perspective, though, this is a franchise player, one of the top three players in the entire game. If he’s to be traded, the return must reflect that. The Senators will be looking for a veritable king’s ransom.

To the best of our knowledge, the Senators have not received formal offers on Karlsson. The discussions that have taken place thus far were more Dorion laying out the general parameters of what a Karlsson deal would need to look like from Ottawa’s end.

There’s been talk of it taking five or six or maybe seven pieces that could include some combination of good, young roster players, top prospects and first-round picks.

And Bobby Ryan.

Bobby Ryan?

The Senators have let it be known that the number of notable pieces in the price could be discounted somewhat if Ryan and his contract are taken on as part of any Karlsson deal. The oft-injured, soon-to-be 31-year-old, who has never scored for Ottawa the way he did for Anaheim, has another four years on a contract that pays him $7.5 million per season with an annual cap hit of $7.25 million.

The Senators know full well that the “Ryan provision” could severely limit the number of Karlsson contenders; that some teams simply aren’t in a position to take on Ryan’s salary or cap hit at the deadline, even if the plan would be to buy out Ryan in the off-season.

And the Senators also know that their tangible hockey return on a Karlsson trade would be lessened if Ryan is included, but that would be the cost of doing business, the cost of getting Ryan’s money off the books for the next four years.

A potential Karlsson trade does not absolutely have to include Bobby Ryan. Not at all. But if it doesn’t, the price is that much higher.

And Karlsson isn’t being traded to simply facilitate a Ryan contract dump. It’s merely an opportunity for Ottawa to perhaps get out from under Ryan’s contract while still getting a notable return on Karlsson.

Karlsson being available right now “for the right price” is a seismic development leading up the trade deadline. A healthy Karlsson playing at his peak could be a game changer for so many teams.

So who’s in?

Well, as mentioned, it’s believed more than a half-dozen teams have either been in contact with Ottawa or perhaps have been contacted by the Senators. What’s difficult, if not impossible to tell at this time, is what any one team’s legitimate level of interest is.

For now, it’s too soon to separate the serious buyers from tire-kickers. Also, a team could mistakenly get labelled as an interested buyer simply by having players or prospects Ottawa would like to get and answering a phone call from the Senators.

There’ll be no end of speculation on who could, would or should be in on Karlsson.

Tampa Bay, of course, will lead the way on the speculative front.

The Lightning are a legitimate Cup contender. Karlsson would be precisely the type of impact defenceman the Lightning could use and to potentially have him for not one, but two, runs at the Stanley Cup could be noteworthy.

Tampa would not appear to be able to take on the Ryan contract. That seems a non-starter because of salary cap considerations. But Ryan isn’t an essential piece of the puzzle either. It just would mean the non-Ryan price would be that much higher.

So who would Ottawa want from Tampa?

Mikhail Sergachev? Brayden Point? Both?

The Bolts are loaded with other prospects and picks and could deal in volume, but if the ask includes a blossoming front-line centre such as Point, well, filling one hole on the blueline would be creating another significant one up front.

You can see where this is going.

Legitimate Cup contenders, as much as they would love to add Karlsson to their blueline now, are not likely keen on giving up any significant pieces from their current roster that have brought them to the level of legit contender.

So would the Lightning be one of the teams potentially interested in Karlsson? You would have to think so, but could they or would they consider paying such a steep price on the eve of a playoff run?

What say you, Steve Yzerman?

It’s believed the first-blush, broad-brush reaction to the general parameters laid out by Dorion is that the price is far too steep. It may be the “ask” from Ottawa is so over the moon, one could legitimately ask if Karlsson is really available. If so, this “Karlsson could be traded by Monday” fever could be short-lived.

Let there be no illusion here — that could turn out to be the case.

[Toonage]

I hope the Lightning get him.

And I hope they lose.

[Mattman]

My god Ottawa is going to be in a dark dark place if they trade Karlsson...

[BsFaninCGY]

I was working with one of the Flames brass this week and he mentioned how great it is the way Tre is building the team - with the top end players earning in the 6-7M range. Said it makes a big difference in the locker room as there isn't one prima donna who is singled out; everyone's happy because things are more or less equal.

Now I don't think having a player of the caliber deserving 10+M is a bad thing either, but there's something to be said for have a locker room without that division. So I don't think Karlsson is destined for here unfortunately....

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/966432781566853120

[Badgers Nose]

Flames send Brodie, Bennet, Stone, Oliver and Gillies

Ottawa sends Karlsson, Ryan (2.25 retained)

[GoJetsGo]

Between the injury and need for a mammoth cap hit on his next contract, it's going to be crazy to see what a trade for Karlsson might entail. Even with those qustionmarks the amount of pieces will be hefty, especially if it were to happen before the deadline. I'd think it more likely before or at the draft.