2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[theslymonkey]

If the Lightning can actually land Karlsson, there's really no point in even playing the games anymore...

Hedman - Stralman
Sergachev - Karlsson

What's the point?!?!?!?
Just hand them the cup so we can get on to next season...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/966399880842289152

...Tampa Bay is primed to go all-in. What a scary team to go up against.

Everyone should be taking notes from Yzerman. Don't fall into the "rebuild" lifecycle. ALWAYS get younger and ALWAYS get faster and ALWAYS get smarter (hockey IQ). Doesn't matter at what point of your "life cycle" you're at, it's a constant process and you need to prioritize skill-sets wisely.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

If the Lightning can actually land Karlsson, there's really no point in even playing the games anymore...

Hedman - Stralman
Sergachev - Karlsson

What's the point?!?!?!?
Just hand them the cup so we can get on to next season...

Sergachev is almost a lock to be a key piece in the deal

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/966403045109018624

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sergachev is almost a lock to be a key piece in the deal

I don't think so. I think Tampa would spend futures and off-roster players.

They're going for a Cup, they're not subtracting a very good contributing rookie from their roster, because flat out - the upgrade from Sergachev to Karlsson isn't THAT huge (if we're talking about performance this season).

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/966403045109018624

Smart GM being a smart GM.

Honestly, I'm trying to remember but does Poile ever waste valuable assets on high profile rentals?

IIRC he just adds depth pieces for cheap if he does anything at all on the deadline.

...and that's just when he's a buyer. When he's a seller he manages to turn total crap into Forsberg somehow.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

It doesn’t matter what pick the isles get...


The optics may be bad but It doesn’t Actually impact the flames trade if the isle pick 1st or 30th with our pick.

What’s done is done no use worrying about it

If the Flames end up gifting the Islanders Dahlen (extremely low odds I know) you are saying it won’t make a difference? I do understand what you are saying but optics will have a big impact.

Look at the Kessel trade. If those were the 22nd and 29th pick vs the 2nd and 9th overall pick it would be viewed as a huge win for Toronto

[Nelson]

Sunk cost fallacy
Individuals commit the sunk cost fallacy when they continue a behavior or endeavor as a result of previously invested resources (time, money or effort) (Arkes & Blumer, 1985).

Applying this rule to the Flames, I do not think it would be smart to spend more valuable assets on band-aid solutions to the Flames just so they can make the playoffs just because we traded a non-lottery-protected 1st round pick to the Islanders to get Hamonic and make the playoffs.

I think the Flames should take the emotion out of it and make smart decisions that will make the team better beyond this year. If they do not make the playoffs, that would be bad, but it would be much worse to trade away even more assets just to get into the playoffs (or not) and lose out in the first round.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't think so. I think Tampa would spend futures and off-roster players.

They're going for a Cup, they're not subtracting a very good contributing rookie from their roster, because flat out - the upgrade from Sergachev to Karlsson isn't THAT huge (if we're talking about performance this season).

I don’t think they get the player then. The Sens are not trading Karlsson for pure futures they will want young high upside NHLers in the deal.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Sunk cost fallacy
Individuals commit the sunk cost fallacy when they continue a behavior or endeavor as a result of previously invested resources (time, money or effort) (Arkes & Blumer, 1985).

Applying this rule to the Flames, I do not think it would be smart to spend more valuable assets on band-aid solutions to the Flames just so they can make the playoffs just because we traded a non-lottery-protected 1st round pick to the Islanders to get Hamonic and make the playoffs.

I think the Flames should take the emotion out of it and make smart decisions that will make the team better beyond this year. If they do not make the playoffs, that would be bad, but it would be much worse to trade away even more assets just to get into the playoffs (or not) and lose out in the first round.

Thank you for so eloquently saying the concept I was trying to explain

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think they get the player then. The Sens are not trading Karlsson for pure futures they will want young high upside NHLers in the deal.

Time will tell, but I don't think so. It's an interesting trade deadline for sure - hopefully it doesn't disappoint!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think they get the player then. The Sens are not trading Karlsson for pure futures they will want young high upside NHLers in the deal.

I just don't see it being Sergachev either.

My guess is one of Killorn, Johnson, or Palat.

One of Dotchin or Koekkoek.

Two of Foote, Howden, Raddysh, Cirelli.

2 Draft Picks (1st and Conditional 2nd)

5-6 pieces for Karlsson feels pretty close.

Something like Palat, Koekkoek, Foote, Raddysh, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd (that becomes a 1st if the Lightning win the Cup in 18 or 19) feels like a pretty good return for Ottawa without taking too much off the current Tampa roster.

[Toonage]

And there's poor Mike Green going "Yeah, I guess I'll waive to go to Tampa"

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Time will tell, but I don't think so. It's an interesting trade deadline for sure - hopefully it doesn't disappoint!

It is shaping up to be an interesting day. Lots of big names still on the board (likely to change over the weekend) and it is being reported more sellers than buyers which could benefit the Flames as prices will be lower than usual.

One other thing I have been hearing and this benefits the Flames is players with term being shopped and of interest leading to hockey trades which is one of the only ways the Flames can potentially improve.

They are not in a position to spend on rentals. Unless a guy like Evander Kane drops to bargain bin prices the Flames should only be targeting players that will be with the team beyond this year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I just don't see it being Sergachev either.

My guess is one of Killorn, Johnson, or Palat.

One of Dotchin or Koekkoek.

Two of Foote, Howden, Raddysh, Cirelli.

2 Draft Picks (1st and Conditional 2nd)

5-6 pieces for Karlsson feels pretty close.

Something like Palat, Koekkoek, Foote, Raddysh, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd (that becomes a 1st if the Lightning win the Cup in 18 or 19) feels like a pretty good return for Ottawa without taking too much off the current Tampa roster.

I feel many teams can match that offer. You guys could be right but if I am Ottawa I don’t even listen to Tampa unless Sergachev is in the deal. That is an extremely underwhelming package considering the first is a lock t be 25th-31st

Ottawa can do this deal at the draft or the summer. They can dictate the return right now and I feel it will require an overpay to get EK this year

[Krynn]

I have been having this bad feeling lately that Kane ends up here.i cant explain it just a weird feeling

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Krynn

I have been having this bad feeling lately that Kane ends up here.i cant explain it just a weird feeling

I think it would be a good thing, assuming he comes in with an extension (and the acquisition price is "very reasonable").

Kane is the type of a-hole this team needs more of.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Smart GM being a smart GM.

Honestly, I'm trying to remember but does Poile ever waste valuable assets on high profile rentals?

IIRC he just adds depth pieces for cheap if he does anything at all on the deadline.

...and that's just when he's a buyer. When he's a seller he manages to turn total crap into Forsberg somehow.

He did trade a 1st round pick for Paul freaking Gaustad.

He also did make a big splash by acquiring Peter Forsberg for essentially 2 former 1st round picks, a 1st round pick and a 3rd

Seems to have learned since then though.

[VilleN]

Maybe we could trade Ferland and get that scoring RW we so badly need... even a guy that could put up close to 30 goals a season... could you imagine??


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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I feel many teams can match that offer. You guys could be right but if I am Ottawa I don’t even listen to Tampa unless Sergachev is in the deal. That is an extremely underwhelming package considering the first is a lock t be 25th-31st

Ottawa can do this deal at the draft or the summer. They can dictate the return right now and I feel it will require an overpay to get EK this year

Yeah - probably need to include another one of the top prospects from that group to really close it off. So 3 of those prospects instead of only 2.

I really don't see who matches that though - most contenders don't have the top end prospect depth that Tampa Bay has.

Let's look at contenders.

Tampa Bay: As Discussed

Nashville: Not sure they want to disrupt that backend again. Although they do have similar propsect depth that the Lightning have and could waive one of Ellis or Ekholm if they really wanted.

Boston: Maybe a fit here but much like Tampa Bay no way they include McAvoy.

Vegas: Don't have the assets to give away at this point IMO.

Winnipeg: Pretty loaded at RD and tend to be stingy with their assets.

Toronto: This is an interesting one but they probably have to be willing to move one of Marner or Nylander which is doubtful IMO.

Washington: Don't see them having the assets.

Really tough to put together a package like Tampa that can give up a good player now (Palat) and roster d-man that is still young, plus a plethora of picks and high end prospects.