2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Interesting you would be so eager to trade a 4.65M 40pt Dman for a 6M 50pt forward. I don’t do that trade unless the Hawks retain salary but in this case they would be moving Saad to gain space.

What are people’s thoughts on either Bennett or Ferland for Saad?

Risky move for Calgary. Ferland has more points than Saad this year and Bennett is 4 years younger $4M cheaper and has more upside.

If Saad returns to being a 30 goal scorer then it would be worth it.

You're leaving out Brodie's absolute inability to play defense though. Saad is a better defensive player than Brodie at this point.

How many times has a brodie gaffe resulted directly in a loss this season alone? I count 4 off the top of my head. Total bonehead.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Saad is a possible target because the Hawks have fallen out of the race. Toffoli is an important part of the Kings roster, so I can't imagine them sending him to a divisional rival while they're competing with said team.

Or are you suggesting LA swap Toffoli for Saad (weird to propose a trade between two teams who aren't Calgary)? In which case, my point about Toffoli's importance to LA's push still stands.

Nah I just hadn't looked at the standings in a week and thought the kings were further out of it! So I agree with all of you, I doubt we could land toffoli. Saad is not bad but I think that chi will try and swap out other pieces first. It would be a huge loss to lose the main piece in the panarin trade for less substantial pieces. Who knows though!

I still think throwing the farm at the senators for Mark Stone has an outside chance at working, if they're serious about keeping Karlsson and signing him long term rather than trading him. We really need an impact forward.

[Monahan For Mayor]

^ Im not okay with trading another first, until this team shows to have Stanley cup contender ability. Right now we are a very mediocre team without a first in the upcoming draft. No way I make it two straight years. That could be a disaster if the team can't become a upper echelon team.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

^ Im not okay with trading another first, until this team shows to have Stanley cup contender ability. Right now we are a very mediocre team without a first in the upcoming draft. No way I make it two straight years. That could be a disaster if the team can't become a upper echelon team.

Just putting it out there, Andersson and Kylington were both drafted in the 2nd round. Dube was also in the 2nd, and Adam Fox was drafted in the 3rd round.

And while Valimaki was a 1st rounder, Shinkaruk, Poirier and Klimchuk aren't looking like full-timers.

My point is that putting so much emphasis on the 1st round isn't always a successful formula. Good scouting is (and a bit of luck to go with it).

Let's not discount the value in having good 2nd and 3rd round picks; first rounders are not the basket to put all of your long-term hopes in.

[The Boy Wonder]

I just hope that if we move our 1st rounder we at least make the other team give us a 3rd round pick back. Trying to recoup at least a bit of draft stock wouldn’t be terrible

[Dragomir]

Sell sell sell. This team is not good enough for the playoffs and it’s best to sell declining assests such as TJ/Stone and get ready for next year.

[The Boy Wonder]

This road trip should ultimately tell us whether the flames are sellers or buyers... if they lose both they better be selling.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd sell high on Ferland. I feel that if he is with anyone else not named Gaudreu and Monahan, he's a bottom six winger.

I'm pretty sure most teams realize this. Unless there's a team that really likes him I can't see him fetching an overly large return.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Sell sell sell. This team is not good enough for the playoffs and it’s best to sell declining assests such as TJ/Stone and get ready for next year.

Sell for who? The drafts we receive for those two players will not be ready for next season which means our team will be worse.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm pretty sure most teams realize this. Unless there's a team that really likes him I can't see him fetching an overly large return.

But that opinion confuses the hell out of but unfortunately is the likely opinion of most fans... that’s said, isn’t necessarily the opinion of most GM’s.

30 other teams would love to have Ferland. No doubt. But at what cost?

The fact that he wasn’t a high profile draft pick and wasn’t that flashy guy in junior but more of a crash and Baker with some skill on both ends of the ice have skewed peoples opinion of him.

Right now he is playing like a top line talent and has the numbers to prove it. I think if he repeats it next year then he will start entering that realm of a large return. Problem is, he may not even get the opportunity if BT thinks like most around here and is relegated to the 3rd line or moved over the next 7 months.

If I were BT, I would hold fast on Ferland, see what f he can repeat it (likely can) and then sell on him or he becomes a true piece of the core and the Flames make room for him on the second line if still pursuing a RH RW for that top line.

[ThaBrink]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Sell sell sell. This team is not good enough for the playoffs and it’s best to sell declining assests such as TJ/Stone and get ready for next year.

The problem with selling is we don't have our 1st round pick . And if WE sell that lowers our chances of making the playoffs which then gives the islanders a lottery pick. We gain nothing from tanking.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But that opinion confuses the hell out of but unfortunately is the likely opinion of most fans... that’s said, isn’t necessarily the opinion of most GM’s.

30 other teams would love to have Ferland. No doubt. But at what cost?

The fact that he wasn’t a high profile draft pick and wasn’t that flashy guy in junior but more of a crash and Baker with some skill on both ends of the ice have skewed peoples opinion of him.

Right now he is playing like a top line talent and has the numbers to prove it. I think if he repeats it next year then he will start entering that realm of a large return. Problem is, he may not even get the opportunity if BT thinks like most around here and is relegated to the 3rd line or moved over the next 7 months.

If I were BT, I would hold fast on Ferland, see what f he can repeat it (likely can) and then sell on him or he becomes a true piece of the core and the Flames make room for him on the second line if still pursuing a RH RW for that top line.

The problem with ferkland is how streaky he is... teams don’t want to pay for a guy who is a very real risk to only record 5 more points the rest of the way... I think he’s great when he is on his game but that is only about 50% of the time. Depends on his price tag but when you only have ~half of this season so far and about a third of last where he was performing like a first liner it is very easy to just say no thanks.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by ThaBrink

The problem with selling is we don't have our 1st round pick . And if WE sell that lowers our chances of making the playoffs which then gives the islanders a lottery pick. We gain nothing from tanking.

Every non playoff pick is a lottery pick. If flames are gonna miss anyways you can’t really put weight in that first rounder to the isles. What’s done is done and no use fretting about it now...


Kinda like the leafs right after the Kessel trade Burke engineered...

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Sell sell sell. This team is not good enough for the playoffs and it’s best to sell declining assests such as TJ/Stone and get ready for next year.

No thanks. I'd like to keep them for the playoff drive and playoffs (if we make it). We can re evaluate in the off season.

[bubbsy]

Personally, my opinion is that, if Ferland were to be traded this deadline, we'd be able to get a pretty decent return. Perhaps a 1st rounder + type return even.

In the new NHL you need guys who can play and have skill. Ferland has shown that though he may not be a guy that drives offense, if you put him with skill players he can contribute. Heck, he's likely to be a 25-30 goal scorer. What makes him more attractive is that on top of all this, he's big, can skate, and still likely the toughest guy on the ice. His playoff run against the nucks isn't that far back.

I'm sure all 16 teams would love to be able to add that package to their forward group, as he can probably play up and down throughout the lineup, and be effective in a tight checking playoff series.

It's for all those reasons that i actually think ferland is a peice i'd like to keep for 1 more contract if they can make it work.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Sell sell sell. This team is not good enough for the playoffs and it’s best to sell declining assests such as TJ/Stone and get ready for next year.

Yea it is very important that we give the Islanders the highest pick possible.

Sorry bud not a good take. If we are trading those guys for picks wait until the draft and not the deadline

[sureLoss]

Maroon missing from Oilers practice, sparking speculation a trade is close.

[The Boy Wonder]

It doesn’t matter what pick the isles get...


The optics may be bad but It doesn’t Actually impact the flames trade if the isle pick 1st or 30th with our pick.

What’s done is done no use worrying about it

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/966399880842289152

[Toonage]

Now watch, all these teams tripping over each other to put together a deal for Karlsson will delay any other dealings for secondary players.