2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dissentowner]

With Kypreos saying he is hearing Karlsson will be moved before the trade deadline lets go big.

To Cgy: Karlsson
To Ott: Brodie, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, and Gillies.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

With Kypreos saying he is hearing Karlsson will be moved before the trade deadline lets go big.

To Cgy: Karlsson
To Ott: Brodie, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, and Gillies.

You think it would be that much? I guess. Just seems like a lot. Think you can take Valimaki out

Nope Val would be neede in. Take out Anderson?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You think it would be that much? I guess. Just seems like a lot. Think you can take Valimaki out

I think it would be that much. We are talking about a generational D man.

[Enoch Root]

for a guy that will probably cost $10M to re-sign, and has a seriously concerning ankle.

Would go down as a worse trade than Gilmour

[Wolfman]

I think Brodie will be dealt at the draft, hopefully recouping a 1st and making room for Valimaki who is apparently ready for the NHL as soon as next year. So, I would hold off on putting the teams best D prospect in any trade even if it is Karlsson.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

for a guy that will probably cost $10M to re-sign, and has a seriously concerning ankle.

Would go down as a worse trade than Gilmour

There is nothing to indicate the ankle is not totally fine after the surgery. Yes, acquiring a 70+ point Norris trophy winning D man in his prime is worse than Gary Leeman. The $10M a year is doable.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

With Kypreos saying he is hearing Karlsson will be moved before the trade deadline lets go big.

To Cgy: Karlsson
To Ott: Brodie, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, and Gillies.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

for a guy that will probably cost $10M to re-sign, and has a seriously concerning ankle.

Would go down as a worse trade than Gilmour

Not concerned about his ankle. I have no doubt he will bounce back next year. Not sure Flames could afford the $10 million though? Tkachuk must get paid!!!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I like Hamilton. Great dude, great shot. I’m not advocating trading him. But....

It is true he varies between not great and a tire fire defensively. He is bailed out by Gio regularly. His possession stats are inflated by playing with Gio. It would be nice if people at least acknowledged that for many good things he does, he has his share of weaknesses as well.

He strikes me a little like Dion Phaneuf....very good offence, issues in his own zone, but Hamilton is a better human and teammate.

Not looking to trade him, but I also accept he will likely never be a number 1 D.

Stats just don't back that up.

2017-18
Hamilton with Gio - 57.5%
Hamilton with Brodie - 54.8%
Hamilton without either - 53%

Giordano with Stone - 57.5%
Giordano with Hamonic - 50.5%

2016-17
Hamilton with Gio - 56.6%
Hamilton without either - 50.4%
Hamilton with Brodie - 57.1%

Giordano with Brodie - 54.3%
Giordano with Wideman - 49.7%
Giordano with everyone else - 38.5%

That doesn't say Hamilton getting carried at all.

His numbers are better than Giordano (and this isn't to slight Gio)

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

With Kypreos saying he is hearing Karlsson will be moved before the trade deadline lets go big.

To Cgy: Karlsson
To Ott: Brodie, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, and Gillies.

...that’s entirely too much.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not concerned about his ankle. I have no doubt he will bounce back next year. Not sure Flames could afford the $10 million though? Tkachuk must get paid!!!

Right but so does Brodie and Bennett. Brodie despite his faults is going to be probably 6M per. Bennett has struggled but he is probably still make 3M per on his next deal. There is 9M right there.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is nothing to indicate the ankle is not totally fine after the surgery. Yes, acquiring a 70+ point Norris trophy winning D man in his prime is worse than Gary Leeman. The $10M a year is doable.

I like the proposal, though I agree it'd be better to keep Valimaki out of the deal, even if its needs a pick added, or something

Karlsson is a RD though, correct? ... either he, Dougie or Hamonic would to play LD... would that be a significant issue?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

I like the proposal, though I agree it'd be better to keep Valimaki out of the deal, even if its needs a pick added, or something

Karlsson is a RD though, correct? ... either he, Dougie or Hamonic would to play LD... would that be a significant issue?

Ahhh crap, I thought he was a LHD. Nevermind...

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

With Kypreos saying he is hearing Karlsson will be moved before the trade deadline lets go big.

To Cgy: Karlsson
To Ott: Brodie, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, and Gillies.

Take out Valimaki and Id say its a good deal for both sides.

[Vinny01]

Similar to Backlund I am not advocating trading Hamilton but I do think he is the key piece we could use to acquire that right shot top 6 forward we want so badly.

I don’t think Dougie is a number 1 Dman. He still takes a lot of dumb penalties, he rarely kills penalties, I just don’t think he is that strong in his own end.

I feel Calgary and Toronto are perfect trade partners. The Leafs covet a top pairing right shot D. Hamilton is the right age, and checks the boxes the Leafs want. The Flames are lacking scoring up front specifically with a right shot. The Leafs have Marner and Nylander who are both highly skilled right shot wingers. Considering D is the more important position and Dougie is more proven than the Leafs duo the Flames could also ask for the Leafs 1st or at least a 2nd or 2.

Hamonic and Stone will be 28 next year, Andersson will be 22 and is ready. Fox still in the pipeline. The Flames add a long term top 6 right wing that is 22 years old

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Take out Valimaki and Id say its a good deal for both sides.

So... we handicap ourselves with the cap for the next 8 years (because he'd take a ton to extend) and sacrifice current cheap forward depth (Bennett) along with our (IMO) 2nd best D prospect (Andersson) and (IMO) our top G prospect in order to get an upgrade on D equal to just the value difference between him & Brodie... is a good deal for both sides?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Similar to Backlund I am not advocating trading Hamilton but I do think he is the key piece we could use to acquire that right shot top 6 forward we want so badly.

... At which point we immediately need a top pairing Right Shot D badly. That's robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

With Kypreos saying he is hearing Karlsson will be moved before the trade deadline lets go big.

To Cgy: Karlsson
To Ott: Brodie, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, and Gillies.

With him being a righty I think trade Stone which would slot Hamonic back down to be with Kulak.

Stone + Bennett + Gillies + Fox + Hathaway + 2019 first for Karlsson + Hoffman?

I think Valimaki is off the table and Fox/Gillies/19 1st would be more than fair value alongside Stone/Bennett/Hathaway.. honestly it looks like too much so its gotta be close to what the ask would be for Karlsson/Hoffman

When everyone is healthy:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Hoffman
Versteeg - Jankowski - Frolik
Brouwer - Stajan - Lazar

Giordano - Karlsson
Brodie - Hamilton
Kulak - Hamonic

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Stats just don't back that up.

2017-18
Hamilton with Gio - 57.5%
Hamilton with Brodie - 54.8%
Hamilton without either - 53%

Giordano with Stone - 57.5%
Giordano with Hamonic - 50.5%

2016-17
Hamilton with Gio - 56.6%
Hamilton without either - 50.4%
Hamilton with Brodie - 57.1%

Giordano with Brodie - 54.3%
Giordano with Wideman - 49.7%
Giordano with everyone else - 38.5%

That doesn't say Hamilton getting carried at all.

His numbers are better than Giordano (and this isn't to slight Gio)

Hamilton doesn't get enough credit.

Typical big guy who doesn't play physical bias. Since he isn't crushing people with his frame people automatically think he is bad defensively.

But really he is a great skater, strong positionally, and has a really active stick at breaking up plays. He does make the odd boneheaded turnover but really that is most players who handle the puck a ton as d-men.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hamilton doesn't get enough credit.

Typical big guy who doesn't play physical bias. Since he isn't crushing people with his frame people automatically think he is bad defensively.

But really he is a great skater, strong positionally, and has a really active stick at breaking up plays. He does make the odd boneheaded turnover but really that is most players who handle the puck a ton as d-men.

And for all those reasons Hamilton is probably what the modern day NHL dman is going to look like. The bruiser is going to have less of a role going forward as hitting gets re-defined in the NHL. Stick checking and positioning are going to become the key defensive skills.

[Diemenz]

Hamilton is more than physical. Laying a big hit is only a small part of being physical. Remember how many times Dion caused a 2-1 because of a stupid missed hit? Hamilton plays hard on the boards and in front of the net but does not commit to making the big open ice hit as it can jeopardize his position. Like said above this is the new age defencemen in the NHL. The big hit normally leads to a fight which means the top defender is out for 5 minutes of the game, pretty stupid if your counted on to be playing 20+ minutes.

Here’s the scenario : Hamilton makes a big hit, has to answer for it and Brodie plays more. Calgary gets scored on with Hamilton in the box and CP blames Brodie for crap coverage and Hamilton for being in the box. This is exactly what would happen.