2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 868904

Keep Andersson. Trade Hamilton for a top 5 pick at the draft. Draft Brady Tkachuk.

Hamilton is not as good as fans here believe, his defensive play is atrocious and this is evident by the flames coaches pairing him with Giordano to insulate him. Every game Gio is bailing Hamilton out, most times everything works out because Gio is that good.

Hamilton is a bigger and better skating Dennis Wideman. I don't think the Flames lose much replacing Hamilton with Andersson. Anyone of the right shot defenseman could play with Gio and become a top pairing guy. The one constant in all that advanced stats crap is Gio, not the partner, whether it is Brodie or Hamilton or Andersson or Hamonic or Stone.

I have no words to describe this post. Well actually I do, but if I commit them electronically I'd probably face a pretty heavy ban by the moderators for being outright mean to you.

This is just a bizarre take, and I don't think you actually understand what makes for a good defenseman.

Also, its outright silly to trade a 6'6 24 year old near if not in elite company right hand shooting skates like the wind defenseman for magic beans. And stating that the difference between Andersson and Hamilton isn't really that big is obnoxiously silly.

I tend to think that some fans want a team that perpetually rebuilding because prospects are more exciting to talk about then actual players.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by New Era

Brady Tkachuk is gonna bust. He’s riding on Matt’s coat tails and everyone believes he’s going to be as good, even though he’s never come close to producing like his brother. He’s not as talented, not as fierce, and will not achieve the lofty expectations of going top five. He’s going to go full Virtanen, and you never go full Virtanen.

100% Agree. He will go higher than he should only because of his brother and I think his father played too

[transplant99]

From Spectors round up.

Ansar Khan reports a source claims Detroit Red Wings defenseman Mike Green has agreed to waive his no-trade clause if a deal with the Tampa Bay Lightning can be arranged. He said the two teams have had ongoing discussions. The Wings would like the Lightning’s first-round pick in the 2018 draft. Failing that, they could look for a second-round pick plus a young player capable of stepping into their lineup next season.

And...

Craig Morgan reports teams have inquired about Arizona Coyotes forward Max Domi and GM John Chayka is willing to listen to offers. However, Chayka claims he’s had “no active discussions” about trading the 22-year-old forward. Domi, meanwhile, said he’s trying not to pay attention to the trade chatter and insists he wants to remain with the Coyotes. Chayka also said people expecting the Coyotes to make a big splash at the trade deadline are going to be disappointed.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Honestly with Kylington taking another big step in development here and with Kulak playing steady D and having the likes of Kylington/Valimaki coming up on the left side it would be prudent for the Flames to trade Brodie for top 6 help. Tyler Johnson’s name floated out there and I think that would be a fantastic hockey trade straight across; play Johnson isn’t just locked to Center - he can and has played wing before for the lighting and would allow us to spread the scoring deeper through out the lineup.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Johnson
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Bennett - Jankowski - Frolik
Brouwer - Stajan - Versteeg
Hathaway, Lazar

I think too if we could flip Frolik for a pick it would be a good time to do it - there is lots of depth in our bottom 6 and Frols could command a 2nd round pick no doubt and could also be flipped to fill a stop gap if a Brodie/Johnson type deal occurred.

It could be a really good week here if certain options become available for Tre a little tinkering could push this line-up over the top.

I’m trying to imagine how mad I’d be if we traded Michael Frolik for a measly 2nd round pick while in the middle of a playoff push.

And I also don’t know how anyone can call our bottom 6 deep. We have freakin’ Lomberg out there.

I’m on the fence about Brodie. If he can be traded for someone like Johnson then yes, I think I’d be fine with that. I don’t know if he has that value at this point though. I’d only trade Brodie If you got the same value you’d have gotten for Brodie last years which is a lot.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Honestly with Kylington taking another big step in development here and with Kulak playing steady D and having the likes of Kylington/Valimaki coming up on the left side it would be prudent for the Flames to trade Brodie for top 6 help. Tyler Johnson’s name floated out there and I think that would be a fantastic hockey trade straight across; play Johnson isn’t just locked to Center - he can and has played wing before for the lighting and would allow us to spread the scoring deeper through out the lineup.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Johnson
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Bennett - Jankowski - Frolik
Brouwer - Stajan - Versteeg
Hathaway, Lazar

I think too if we could flip Frolik for a pick it would be a good time to do it - there is lots of depth in our bottom 6 and Frols could command a 2nd round pick no doubt and could also be flipped to fill a stop gap if a Brodie/Johnson type deal occurred.

It could be a really good week here if certain options become available for Tre a little tinkering could push this line-up over the top.

This was good until you mentioned trading Frolik for a 2nd round pick because our bottom six depth is good. It's the opposite of good, in fact it's a huge reason we're not a better team this year.

Actually, your desire to flippantly get rid of Frolik for a 2nd just because you acquired another forward is kind of how many have viewed Frolik his whole career, he's one of those quietly strong, important pieces in a forward group.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by jayswin

This was good until you mentioned trading Frolik for a 2nd round pick because our bottom six depth is good. It's the opposite of good, in fact it's a huge reason we're not a better team this year.

Actually, your desire to flippantly get rid of Frolik for a 2nd just because you acquired another forward is kind of how many have viewed Frolik his whole career, he's one of those quietly strong, important pieces in a forward group.

With guys like Versteeg and Brouwer coming back up soon, Hathaway, Lazar Stajan playing as well our forwards group is crowded and Frolik is coming up to his contract year while we have hefty raises coming to some of the younger talent.

a 2nd round pick is probably cheap; maybe we could even package Frolik with a Brodie to get a really great top 6 piece but when you're looking at the numbers right now the player that needs to be upgraded honestly is Frolik in the top 6. He's been an amazing signing ~ as good as Hudler was in his first 3 years more from a two-way perspective with obviously lower numbers ~ but I could see Frolik starting to decline as he gets towards most likely his last 4+ million type contract and I think we could turn him into an asset for this team going forward. That's all I was meaning by that.

Do I think Brodie and Frolik get traded at this point though?? More and more as we lead towards the deadline I think the Flames are going to take a passive approach and not swing for the fences. No reason to panic now and the trade deadline is when the biggest mistakes are made... the only thing that makes me second guess that thinking is our first in the possession of NYI and the Flames need to get into the post-season preferably into the 2nd round +. There is no reason we shouldn't be in the final 8 with the roster we boast but this team continues to have forms of Jekyl and Hyde syndrome; its going to be an interesting team/story line at the deadline honestly.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

With guys like Versteeg and Brouwer coming back up soon, Hathaway, Lazar Stajan playing as well our forwards group is crowded and Frolik is coming up to his contract year while we have hefty raises coming to some of the younger talent.

a 2nd round pick is probably cheap; maybe we could even package Frolik with a Brodie to get a really great top 6 piece but when you're looking at the numbers right now the player that needs to be upgraded honestly is Frolik in the top 6. He's been an amazing signing ~ as good as Hudler was in his first 3 years more from a two-way perspective with obviously lower numbers ~ but I could see Frolik starting to decline as he gets towards most likely his last 4+ million type contract and I think we could turn him into an asset for this team going forward. That's all I was meaning by that.

Do I think Brodie and Frolik get traded at this point though?? More and more as we lead towards the deadline I think the Flames are going to take a passive approach and not swing for the fences. No reason to panic now and the trade deadline is when the biggest mistakes are made... the only thing that makes me second guess that thinking is our first in the possession of NYI and the Flames need to get into the post-season preferably into the 2nd round +. There is no reason we shouldn't be in the final 8 with the roster we boast but this team continues to have forms of Jekyl and Hyde syndrome; its going to be an interesting team/story line at the deadline honestly.

The only move I really would like to see is some of our defensive depth for a scoring winger, whether that be prospects or Brodie is up to the GM. Whoever they acquire I’m hoping he’s someone who can slide onto the second line and turn it into legitimately one of the best second lines in the league. I don’t think you touch the top line with the chemistry they have. Then Frolik can play with Bennett and Jankowski, I think he’s the kind of player that can correct some of the chaos that that line can cause when they’re being undisciplined in their defensive play.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by 868904

Keep Andersson. Trade Hamilton for a top 5 pick at the draft. Draft Brady Tkachuk.

Hamilton is not as good as fans here believe, his defensive play is atrocious and this is evident by the flames coaches pairing him with Giordano to insulate him. Every game Gio is bailing Hamilton out, most times everything works out because Gio is that good.

Hamilton is a bigger and better skating Dennis Wideman. I don't think the Flames lose much replacing Hamilton with Andersson. Anyone of the right shot defenseman could play with Gio and become a top pairing guy. The one constant in all that advanced stats crap is Gio, not the partner, whether it is Brodie or Hamilton or Andersson or Hamonic or Stone.

Wow. Some 'interesting' thoughts here. Wild leaps of logic. Love it.

What GM would trade a top 5 pick for Dougie? Honestly, think about it. No one would do that. very few things are worth a top 5 pick in today's NHL.

[Krynn]

I think Frolik re-signs a team friendly deal in the summer.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Brady Tkachuk is gonna bust. He’s riding on Matt’s coat tails and everyone believes he’s going to be as good, even though he’s never come close to producing like his brother. He’s not as talented, not as fierce, and will not achieve the lofty expectations of going top five. He’s going to go full Virtanen, and you never go full Virtanen.

Do you believe half the things you say, or just looking for attention?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Krynn

I think Frolik re-signs a team friendly deal in the summer.

He's under contract until 2020

[Krynn]

Oh i thought he was a Free Agent in the summer ,My bad thanks for for correcting me

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Do you believe half the things you say, or just looking for attention?

What do you mean? Brady Tkachuk may not bust but he's clearly heading towards an unfair build up in this draft.

Almost guaranteed any team that drafts him as high as he's been projected lately is going to be very disappointed. Anything can happen with any draft pick (Johnny Gaudreau etc) but Brady's stats are not good enough to have him going top 10.

His brother has absolutely created a vision of Brady that he will struggle mightily to live up to. He's weaker offensively, and less feisty, but the league is going nuts over Matthew Tkachuk and unwisely pointing to Brady and saying "his brother's just like him!".

If his name was Brady Smith no way in hell he's ranked this high. He'll be a bad pick for some team with a high draft position, imo.

[Heavy Jack]

Frolik + Brodie

What does that net the Flames??

[alan21]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Frolik + Brodie

What does that net the Flames??

That would net us more holes than a net.

[Erick Estrada]

There is definitely some Rob/Scott Niedermayer overrating of the younger sibling going on. I’m not going to pretend I’ve seen Brady play a lot but his stats are pretty underwhelming for the build up. Top ten players should be scoring at elite pace and he’s not doing that and it’s hard to imagine he’s going to become an elite scorer when he’s hasn’t been against his peers.

[bigrangy]

I've turned around on Brady Tkachuk after watching the u18s last year and u20s this year. He is more talented than the numbers he was putting up, and ever since getting back to college after the juniors he's been on a roll. He's matching Jordan Greenway (a pretty good prospect) step for step and he's 2 years younger.

After Dahlin, I think you can go Tkachuk without too many regrets. Someone between Svechnikov, Zadina, Hughes, Etc will probably be more impactful but I would not he confident teling you which one at this time. I'm confident Brady Tkachuk will be an impact player, but maybe not elite.

[Corral]

don't understand why some here feel so strongly about Frolik. Sure he contributes and is a solid winger - but that guy is replaceable. He's no impact player ... better on the 3rd line IMO. Doubt he attracts much in the market though, so he goes nowhere unless its part of a larger package.

[GioforPM]

Hamilton, and to some extent Hamonic and Frolik are severely underrated here.

[TheScorpion]

Trading Michael Frolik would be a fool's errand. The Flames are already thinner than skim milk up front and especially so on the right wing. He's a good second-liner and there's no use in dealing those guys, especially when signed relatively cheaply.