[PGT] Flames 3 - Islanders 2

[tvp2003]

Soooooo.... over the past 7 games, we're 4-3-0, which includes:

- Jan 30 (VGK): leading after two, lose in regulation

- Feb 1 (TB): leading after two, lose in regulation

- Feb 3 (CHI): trailing after two, win in overtime

- Feb 9 (@NYR): leading after two, lose in regulation

- Feb 11 (@NYI): trailing after two, win in regulation

Not sure what to make of it... usually when a team is ahead after two periods, the odds of winning are quite high. Yet, we've bucked the trend five out of the last seven games.

[Enoch Root]

I know the Flames have the reputation of being good at protecting leads, but that was last year. I think most people would be shocked to hear that the Flames are 24th in the league for winning percentage when leading after 2. Conversely, we are 2nd when trailing after 2.

Leading after 2: 18-3-2 / .783WP / 24th

Trailing after 2: 5-11-0 / .313WP / 2nd

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Soooooo.... over the past 7 games, we're 4-3-0, which includes:

- Jan 30 (VGK): leading after two, lose in regulation

- Feb 1 (TB): leading after two, lose in regulation

- Feb 3 (CHI): trailing after two, win in overtime

- Feb 9 (@NYR): leading after two, lose in regulation

- Feb 11 (@NYI): trailing after two, win in regulation

Not sure what to make of it... usually when a team is ahead after two periods, the odds of winning are quite high. Yet, we've bucked the trend five out of the last seven games.

I don't think there is much to make of it especially when you include all the results in that seven-game set:

- Feb 6 (@Chi): tied after two, win in regulation

- Feb 8 (@NJD): leading after two, win in regulation

It is just really difficult to win in this League at this time of the year. I think you will find the same trend holds for most every other team jockeying for playoff spots.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I know the Flames have the reputation of being good at protecting leads, but that was last year. I think most people would be shocked to hear that the Flames are 24th in the league for winning percentage when leading after 2. Conversely, we are 2nd when trailing after 2.

Leading after 2: 18-3-2 / .783WP / 24th

Trailing after 2: 5-11-0 / .313WP / 2nd

It was still true until the last game of January. All three of those regulation losses occurred in last two weeks.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by AC

There's a pretty clear group of posters that I would suggest enjoy trash talking the team following a loss more than they seem to enjoy when we win.

Your right for sure, but devil's advocate moment here. It is the WAY the team loses that provokes those reactions. When the team wins, often there is at least 2 good periods where the flames look like a legit contender, playing up to their ability, and everyone is sky high. When this team loses, there are players that clearly look like they could give a rats ass and the effort level isn't there. That's what drives me bannanas. If they went out and played, left it all on the ice, and lost, there would be alot less negativity in the PGT.

These guys calling Frolik out for not making the empty netter, and causing the Smith injury, these are the ones that love being negative. Mods, if your looking at culling the herd a little, this PGT should provide you a short list.

[Beninho]

Can’t believe people actually were blaming Frolik for Smith’s injury. Frolik played a hell of a game which makes this statement even more laughable. His play on the tying goal was amazing and was instrumental on the winning goal as well. Some people need to give their head a shake. Empty netter or not, Smith has been playing a lot of games and has looked injured many times throughout this year. Could be good for the Flames to get Rittich some more confidence and be able to rest Smith more often. The man is 35 years old, Flames are going to need to give Rittich a lot more work if they want to keep Smith healthy imo.

[DazzlinDino]

Personally I think many of the ones who go on and on rehashing the same thing over and over are trollers. For example as soon as Bennett does something wrong during a game he gets rehashed by the same people. It's one thing to be frustrated about a play, it's quite another to have the same person/s force feeding us to swallow what was said by them 50 times before, "in the GT where we should be enjoying the game".

Enjoy the game, the Flames are playing hard and seem to be growing, coming together as a group!

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Personally I think many of the ones who go on and on rehashing the same thing over and over are trollers. For example as soon as Bennett does something wrong during a game he gets rehashed by the same people. It's one thing to be frustrated about a play, it's quite another to have the same person/s force feeding us to swallow what was said by them 50 times before, "in the GT where we should be enjoying the game".

Enjoy the game, the Flames are playing hard and seem to be growing, coming together as a group!

As someone who will admit that I used to be way too overeactionary in the GT, I have to agree with this. People need to learn to take a step back when this team is struggling. I understand that the overactionary posts will always happen after loses, as I usually am as pissed off as many on here after they lose. The annoying thing is certain posters on here are still complaining after a hard fought win were the flames dominated 2 out of the 3 periods and shut down one of the more dynamic offensive teams in the league. Let’s celebrate this team more, Tkachuk just got 20 goals and that is ####ing amazing. Bennett and Janko played a good game as well!

[stone hands]

I think a lot of people need to take a step back and realize we are watching 20 year olds bang a peice of rubber around with sticks. Ranting and raving like a lunatic on a site that is in theory supposed to be a gathering place for fans when it has no impact whatsoever on the ice seems like a waste of time. Though I suppose all of this is an exercise in wasting time no matter if you're optimistic, pessimistic, pragmatic, whatever

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Personally I think many of the ones who go on and on rehashing the same thing over and over are trollers. For example as soon as Bennett does something wrong during a game he gets rehashed by the same people. It's one thing to be frustrated about a play, it's quite another to have the same person/s force feeding us to swallow what was said by them 50 times before, "in the GT where we should be enjoying the game".

Enjoy the game, the Flames are playing hard and seem to be growing, coming together as a group!

I wasn't kidding in my earlier post....people need to leave the phones in another room and try to just enjoy the game.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It was still true until the last game of January. All three of those regulation losses occurred in last two weeks.

It was only true until the last game in January because their OT prowess was continuing to bail them out.

They haven't been good at protecting leads this year. It's okay to admit that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It was only true until the last game in January because their OT prowess was continuing to bail them out.

They haven't been good at protecting leads this year. It's okay to admit that.

I haven't done enough analysis to look back and see how many OT wins were games in which they'd actually lost a lead.

There really aren't enough blown leads to create any kind of pattern though (especially one which relates to coaching which is the main thing people try and tie it to). Did they outplay and blow a lead late? Were they lucky to be ahead and the final score was simply indicative?

Look at the Vegas one. Really it was a fluke play by a reliable player and a bit of soft play but a goal which could have been saved. It really says almost nothing about the team in general.

NYI could say something similar last night. Yeah, they "blew a lead" but who deserved to win that game anyway? Calgary.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I haven't done enough analysis to look back and see how many OT wins were games in which they'd actually lost a lead.

There really aren't enough blown leads to create any kind of pattern though (especially one which relates to coaching which is the main thing people try and tie it to). Did they outplay and blow a lead late? Were they lucky to be ahead and the final score was simply indicative?

Look at the Vegas one. Really it was a fluke play by a reliable player and a bit of soft play but a goal which could have been saved. It really says almost nothing about the team in general.

NYI could say something similar last night. Yeah, they "blew a lead" but who deserved to win that game anyway? Calgary.

Every game is different. And every individual event has its 'circumstances'.

That is why people look at statistics. The Flames have held the lead after 2 periods 23 times this year. Not a huge number, but it is what it is.

And compared to the rest of the league, in similar situations, the Flames rank 24th.

Take it for what it is, and draw your own conclusions. I didn't blame the coaching staff. In fact, what I did was also mention that they have the 2nd best record when trailing.

The numbers are what they are.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by stone hands

I think a lot of people need to take a step back and realize we are watching 20 year olds bang a peice of rubber around with sticks. Ranting and raving like a lunatic on a site that is in theory supposed to be a gathering place for fans when it has no impact whatsoever on the ice seems like a waste of time. Though I suppose all of this is an exercise in wasting time no matter if you're optimistic, pessimistic, pragmatic, whatever

I like your awareness and big picture take on this. Sometimes I scale back a bit too and remember that at one point before I understood it, I saw the sport that way, just guys skating laps and whacking at a rubber disc, and wondered what all the fuss was even about.

Some perspective here is refreshing when people get so microscopic about #### in these threads.

Even if something in particular is irritating, you have no control over what coaches and management do. None of us do. It is wasted energy. I understand getting mad and expressing it with a post or two. Harping on with a dozen or more posts is an exercise in madness and insanity. Know what helps? Gratitude. We get to watch nhl hockey in our own town. One of 31 blessed with that opportunity. And our streaky, frustrating team actually has a chance, albeit a outside one, to win the prize this season. So look at it that way. Switch it up, look for a positive. Raise your universal vibration, bro.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Every game is different. And every individual event has its 'circumstances'.

That is why people look at statistics. The Flames have held the lead after 2 periods 23 times this year. Not a huge number, but it is what it is.

And compared to the rest of the league, in similar situations, the Flames rank 24th.

Take it for what it is, and draw your own conclusions. I didn't blame the coaching staff. In fact, what I did was also mention that they have the 2nd best record when trailing.

The numbers are what they are.

I didn't think you were blaming the coaches. Other people are. But in any event, without looking, I bet the difference between 24th and, say 8th, isn't much.

[Enoch Root]

The top 30 teams run between 1.000 and .706 (ARI is an outlier).

Last year the Flames ran at about .970ish

Bottom line is that about 90% of the time, NHL teams close the deal when leading after 2. Last year, the Flames were the best. This year they are bottom third (despite all the OT wins).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The top 30 teams run between 1.000 and .706 (ARI is an outlier).

Last year the Flames ran at about .970ish

Bottom line is that about 90% of the time, NHL teams close the deal when leading after 2. Last year, the Flames were the best. This year they are bottom third (despite all the OT wins).

But my point is - how many as far as differential are we actually talking about, top to bottom? Like 3 or 4 losses? The Flames had zero regular losses and 2 SO/OT when leading until a couple weeks ago.

[EVERLAST]

Any updates on Ryan Lomberg??? Concussion protocol???

Hope dudes okay. Man he has some big balls. Love love love his game.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Any updates on Ryan Lomberg??? Concussion protocol???

Hope dudes okay. Man he has some big balls. Love love love his game.

He was skating at practice. Head still attached.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Any updates on Ryan Lomberg??? Concussion protocol???

Hope dudes okay. Man he has some big balls. Love love love his game.

I scored it a draw