Blackhawks beat writer rips fanbase

[Itse]

Originally Posted by fleury

Agreed. Posters are getting a little sensitive these days.

Maybe it's just bad memory, but I don't recall the vitriol being as bad 10 years ago.

It's not like it wasn't there, but IMO there's now more of the ridiculously overblown sort and less fair criticism. The latter I think is sort of a side-effect. I don't feel like picking apart Bennetts problems or talk about Gio having a bad game, when the general tone of the criticism tends to be so harsh anyway, and there's just so much of the negative.

I used to really enjoy reading GT:s PGT:s and taking part in game analysis, but these days I just mostly stay away.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

The problem is that you're lumping the whole place together.

The Post-Game Thread in Fire on Ice right after a game, win or lose, is not representative of the community in any capacity.

Thats like saying that people who were ecstatic about the Obama election at the Campaign Headquarters were like that from day 1 until his last day in Office.

Its simply false.

People are complaining about the knee-jerk, insane reactions in the most emotionally charged thread on any given game-night.

Thats like going to an MMA match and being bewildered at the guys beating the hell out of each other. It evidences a definitive lack of expectations.

Rarely is the initial, gut reaction a well thought-out and rational one, and the expectation thereof is equally irrational.

They're still just posts on the internet. They're not that emotionally charged that there isn't room for civility and respect.

It is no harder to type a respectful post that a disrespectful one. The only question is: do we demand standards, or do we just belly down to the lowest common denominator?

[Locke]

[QUOTE=Itse;6574271]

Originally Posted by fleury

Agreed. Posters are getting a little sensitive these days. /QUOTE]

Maybe it's just bad memory, but I don't recall the vitriol being as bad 10 years ago.

It's not like it wasn't there, but IMO there's more of the ridiculously overblown sort and less fair criticism. Which I think is sort of a side-effect. I don't feel like picking apart Bennetts problems or rip on Gio when he had a bad game, when the general tone of the criticism tends to be so harsh anyway, and there's just so much of it.

I used to really enjoy reading GT:s and taking part in game analysis, but these days I just mostly stay away.

Honestly, I think you are simultaneously right and wrong.

Years ago, there were no expectations so you could freely watch the Flames win lose (or draw! ) harmlessly.

They sucked. Wins were awesome, losses were expected and nobody cared about ties (no OT/SO).

The difference in attitude is directly proportional to the difference in expectations.

This team should be making the playoffs. Okay, external circumstances have changed (parity) but I think thats where we're at. We're not at the NYR level of calling it a cycle and blowing it all up.

All in all I remember when the Flames clinched the playoffs for what felt like the first time in forever and that feeling blew me away. Because it was a gift. I wasnt expecting it.

Thats not where we are now. And thats the explanation for the emotional swings.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hes

The amount of hate thrown at Brodie on here is brutal. Especially because a member of his family is a frequent contributor.

The stuff said about Bennett is sickening too.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=492


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...37&postcount=1


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...47&postcount=7


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...9&postcount=16

Where was all this when Wideman was shot into the sun every day of the week? the best thing about this post is that Erik Estrada thanked this post. From the time i have been on here, he is one of the most negative posters on this forum.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They're still just posts on the internet. They're not that emotionally charged that there isn't room for civility and respect.

It is no harder to type a respectful post that a disrespectful one. The only question is: do we demand standards, or do we just belly down to the lowest common denominator?

I agree, but you're not accounting for immediacy and emotion. Should people be more respectful? Sure. But this is the online equivalent of fans at the game.

Its visceral. This isnt after sober second thought.

Man, we're talking about the PGT or even the Game Thread. People are posting off-the-cuff.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

I agree, but you're not accounting for immediacy and emotion. Should people be more respectful? Sure. But this is the online equivalent of fans at the game.

Its visceral. This isnt after sober second thought.

Man, we're talking about the PGT or even the Game Thread. People are posting off-the-cuff.

Fans at the game are required to maintain standards of civility.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Fans at the game are required to maintain standards of civility.

I'm sorry, I dont see any that are being contravened.

The examples provided show people wanting Bennett off the team. Okay. So?

Nobody is advocating violence towards a player other than in jest.

[Enoch Root]

People in public can control themselves - because the standards demand it.

No reason they can't do the same on the internet - only difference is that they don't have to. The reason I eventually found calgarypuck and joined the community was precisely that it seemed to have higher standards than other corners of the internet.

That has gone out the window in the last year or two, and it has nothing to do with fan expectations.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm sorry, I dont see any that are being contravened.

The examples provided show people wanting Bennett off the team. Okay. So?

Nobody is advocating violence towards a player other than in jest.

You seem to have skipped over the post that called Bennett garbage.

And when I’m watching a game, I don’t enjoy reading about what an idiot a player is. That does nothing for discussion or perspective.

Saying “Bennett has been readily hurting his team with offensive zone penalties” adds more then “Bennett is garbage, get the F*** off my team. What an idiotic moron”

But I guess to each his own. If you prefer a more emotion filled read that’s the outlet for a handful of posters, power to ya. More then a few people seem to have noticed the decline in quality though.

[Mista_Incognito]

This almost reminds me of the Flames in the early 90s. People were salty about the Flames despite having some legendary players.
* Theo Fleury
*Al MacInnis
*Joe Nieuwendyk
*Gary Roberts
*Mike Vernon
*Joel Otto
*S. Makarov
*Robert Reichel

Of course, things were a little bit more bleak for Flames since we couldnt compete with the big clubs salaries.

[FireGilbert]

Pathetic by the Hawks fans and good on the reporter for calling them out. 3 cups in decade is amazing and well worth any future struggles and cap problems.

I don't believe this is a problem with all fans. Most Hawks fans I know and Foss on this board seem calm and realistic. There is a segment of fans however who take sports way too seriously and take it as personal offense if a player struggles. In the past these "fans" would be drunkenly complaining at the pub however they are now able to express their anger anonymously on the internet.

Posters on CP have more justification to complain than Hawks fans due to a history of disappointment and mediocrity however I have been noticing a steep decrease in the quality of conversations on FOI due to a small segment of angry repetitive posters who take any mistake as an opportunity to personally attack a player. Sure go ahead be negative about management decisions, coaching decisions, and in game brain farts, however personally insulting players and hoping they get injured or shot into the sun is crossing a line.

I used to love participating in Game Threads as it made up for the lost sense of being in a fan community after moving from Calgary however lately it is not worth the effort. It is pointless to respond to the negative posts and countering with positive posts just gets you labelled as a homer. I still post in the GTs sometimes however now most of my posts are on things like the OOT and off topic forums where no Flames topics are being discussed.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

No, because the Blackhawks are being penalized for a contract that was compliant to the CBA at the time of its execution....I still think that it would be worth a court challenge.

So? When the salary cap was brought in, a bunch of teams had to trade away good players to be compliant with the new rules. It cut no ice that those contracts were perfectly good and valid when there was no cap. You're bound by the terms and conditions of the CBA in effect at any given moment, and any standard player's contract is a subordinate document that is governed by those same terms and conditions. Every party to the negotiations knew exactly how the game worked.

[カナダ人です]

"Blackhawk fans are ridiculous. Mark Lazerus is spot on. Stanley Cup hangovers can go multiple decades EASY. We're still paying for the success we had in the 80s; and I know more about winning than anyone."

-Kevin Lowe

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I really have no problem with someone calling out the stupid posts of others. Call a spade a spade. If someone's acting like and idiot, let them know it. Perhaps they'll think twice before posting in the same manner in the future.

I miss the crazy days of Lanny McDonald.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I find it telling that calling the coach a garbage loser isn’t part of this discussion. I also notice that some of the posters who are the ones that are hyper negative are posting in this thread and the PGT joining in calling for a return to the glory days of intelligent, civil discussion.

So if we’re all perfect, who are the posters having mental breakdowns hurling insults that need to leave?

[Jordan!]

Newsflash, Blackhawks fans are 90% bandwagon jumpers

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Newsflash, Blackhawks fans are 90% bandwagon jumpers

Well, no one would know about bandwagon jumping better than you.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Newsflash, Blackhawks fans are 90% bandwagon jumpers

You have truly terrible hockey opinions.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Itse

Maybe it's just bad memory, but I don't recall the vitriol being as bad 10 years ago.

It's not like it wasn't there, but IMO there's now more of the ridiculously overblown sort and less fair criticism. The latter I think is sort of a side-effect. I don't feel like picking apart Bennetts problems or talk about Gio having a bad game, when the general tone of the criticism tends to be so harsh anyway, and there's just so much of the negative.

I used to really enjoy reading GT:s PGT:s and taking part in game analysis, but these days I just mostly stay away.

No I think you are right, working out of town I usually hit the game thread when I couldn't see the game. Up until the last couple seasons I could get a decent pulse on the game from the thread and it usually lined up with what I read on line or actually saw when I went back and watched the game.

Now, I have no clue...I will go looking for a players egregious error that requires sun shooting and will see a normal missed hockey play that happened 10 other times with 10 other players that game. I will assume the Flames played the entire game in their own end and will be surprised because the NHL app will tell me they are out shooting and scoring the other team.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

No I think you are right, working out of town I usually hit the game thread when I couldn't see the game. Up until the last couple seasons I could get a decent pulse on the game from the thread and it usually lined up with what I read on line or actually saw when I went back and watched the game.

Now, I have no clue...I will go looking for a players egregious error that requires sun shooting and will see a normal missed hockey play that happened 10 other times with 10 other players that game. I will assume the Flames played the entire game in their own end and will be surprised because the NHL app will tell me they are out shooting and scoring the other team.

Honestly this is my biggest problem with this forum over the last season, season and a half

I don't even know what game these people are watching most of the time. I think the issue is that instead of watching the game they're hyper focused on their current whipping boy and spend the whole 60 minutes staring at cp