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[Calgary_81]

Originally Posted by blender

That may well be, but it seems like it is getting worse here, particularly this season.
Fair point, though. Maybe I am expecting too much.

i kinda sense that too. I think what stands out this season is our GM went all in, and our 2018 first/second round pick is on the line; Going all in, and not making the playoffs would be gut-wrenching for me.

I am very nervous about the flames's 2018 1st round pick turning into a lottery pick for the NYI.

Feels like we shouldn't even has this problem this point of the season:
- Goaltending issues are now fixed. Smith/Rittich give them a chance to win every night.
- Gaudreau is top 3 in league scoring.
- Monahan is top 8 in goals.
- Ferland is having a decent (contract) year.
- Gio/Hamilton/Stone/Kulak are firing on all cylinders. Hamonic is getting better.
- 3M line is consistent.

I expected better results.

Yet, there is a slight chance we might barely miss the playoffs, because this team (looking at you Bennett/GG/DC) squanders 2 points on a consistent basis.

I wish Trelivng lottery-protected the 1st round pick.

The California Teams winning ain't making things easier.

Your move Wizard . . . i expect big things to happen before the trade deadline.

Still can't believe we gifted the no-good place 6 pts.

on the bright side, isnt our record 9-3-4 in the last 16?

[meh]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Hey, let’s all bitch about Bennett!

I’m proud of the guys. Back to back games, rough 1st period and yet they fought back. The Rangers were motivated tonight and Calgary still almost took the win.

Sunny Ways!

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Calgary_81

I expected better results.


on the bright side, isnt our record 9-3-4 in the last 16?

10-3-4 in their last 17 games.. which makes your two contradictory statements above stand out. Seems to be a theme with a lot of people here... not just you.

Granted there were poor stretches in 2017, but the team really seems to have gelled and is (for the most part) playing much better defensive hockey.

Yes there is room for improvement, and younger players are inconsistent. With the parity in this league, just about every team is dealing with issues. No one runs the table and dominates 60 mins while remaining undefeated.

The post game threads seem to go off the deep end with the team playing .750 hockey.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Wow, people falling all over themselves to prove how much they hate Bennett. One comment not enough, some have to keep at it over and over.

We lost, it sucks.

Nobody hates Bennett. But at this point, relative to the expectations of him, he is a bust. It's time to admit it.

He'll still be a serviceable NHL-er, but he'll never be an impact, top 6 forward. He hasn't shown anything he will.

That said, before trading him, I'd like to see him under a new coach.

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[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Wow, people falling all over themselves to prove how much they hate Bennett. One comment not enough, some have to keep at it over and over.

We lost, it sucks.

Why don’t we bench the 3 players who took first period penalties as long as we’re sending messages.

[LIP MAN]

Honestly, I think we are similar to Winnipeg a year ago, with some pieces outperforming what they had last year. I think having a great tandem puts us in a good position to complete next year as well.

[SportsJunky]

I think we have to let this one go. Reading the post game comments, the coach was unhappy, the players were unhappy. I’d be surprised if we see them take another period off for a while. Let’s hope it was a blip and they get back to winning games again starting Sunday against NYI.

[Dan02]

I love our second line(my jersey is a Backlund), but being honest Backlund stunk and was completely disinterested last night. He made some beer league style plays out there last night. He should have finished the short handed chance with Frolik to tie it up. Yes lundqvist did a excellent job of getting over but if you look at the shot location Backlund still had 90% of the net to hit and put it in the one spot he could cover.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I think we have to let this one go. Reading the post game comments, the coach was unhappy, the players were unhappy. I’d be surprised if we see them take another period off for a while. Let’s hope it was a blip and they get back to winning games again starting Sunday against NYI.

To add to this, the best team in the league will lose over 30% of their games in a season. Losses happen. It is how you react or bounce back from them. On to Sunday.

[EldrickOnIce]

This was not a fragile team loss - this was bad special teams.
Disappointing, but not end of world.
Relax

[VilleN]

Close game. We just had a 3 game win streak... everyone calm down.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I always love these types of posts. This is a sports thread on the Calgary Flames and people use these forums as outlets to vent their frustration towards the team as well as celebrate achievements when they do well. People have the right to give their opinion on the Flames as long as they abide by the forum rules. If you don’t like what’s being said then argue against it.

There is a difference between discussing and venting or bitching. The former is productive, the latter is just useless and brings down the quality of the discussion and the forum (which is what I believe blender was getting at).

And if you're not sure what the difference is between discussing and whining, here you go:

Originally Posted by keenan87

Bennett should just #### off

Garbage player

[Corral]

Expectations for the current Flames roster on CP are way too high in the eyes of many posters. Those who consistently vent frustration are IMHO probably them same folks who picked us #1 in the Division this season. Those who are more measured in their responses to the highs and lows of this team, are probably those who envisioned the Flames right where they are. On the playoff line.

Going .500 on this eastern road trip should be, and likely is in the dressing room, the goal. The team historically stinks it out on these trips - that doesn't seem to be happening here. Its a good sign.

To beat the dead horse ... if it takes 100 points to make the playoffs in the West and the Flames miss by 2 or 3 points .... i will be remembering the stinkers we delivered to the Sabres and Oilers not too long ago ... those will be the reasons we missed out.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Corral

Expectations for the current Flames roster on CP are way too high in the eyes of many posters. Those who consistently vent frustration are IMHO probably them same folks who picked us #1 in the Division this season. Those who are more measured in their responses to the highs and lows of this team, are probably those who envisioned the Flames right where they are. On the playoff line.

Going .500 on this eastern road trip should be, and likely is in the dressing room, the goal. The team historically stinks it out on these trips - that doesn't seem to be happening here. Its a good sign.

To beat the dead horse ... if it takes 100 points to make the playoffs in the West and the Flames miss by 2 or 3 points .... i will be remembering the stinkers we delivered to the Sabres and Oilers not too long ago ... those will be the reasons we missed out.

I disagree. I don't think it's unreasonable to have higher expectations when they went out and spent significant assets to improve the blueline and goaltending. I don't think it's unrealistic for fans to expect our 4th overall pick to improve year to year either.

I expected better out of this team. I still do.

And if their goal on this road trip is anything less than winning every game they're in the wrong business. I'd be very disappointed if they were aiming for .500. They're better than that, even with their flaws.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I disagree. I don't think it's unreasonable to have higher expectations when they went out and spent significant assets to improve the blueline and goaltending. I don't think it's unrealistic for fans to expect our 4th overall pick to improve year to year either.

I expected better out of this team. I still do.

Again... 10-3-4 in their last 17 games.

No issue with being critical of certain players or breaking down a bad period... but the manufactured outrage and disappointment by a growing number of people in post game threads like this is getting ridiculous.

The team is playing .750 hockey.

That's a big enough sample size since after Christmas that those of you dropping "I expect better" need to pause for deeper thought.

[GranteedEV]

I say this even as a Gully critic.. the fact that we have either won or held a lead at some point in the third period of 17 consecutive games is crazy.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Calgary_81

i kinda sense that too. I think what stands out this season is our GM went all in, and our 2018 first/second round pick is on the line; Going all in, and not making the playoffs would be gut-wrenching for me.

I am very nervous about the flames's 2018 1st round pick turning into a lottery pick for the NYI.

Feels like we shouldn't even has this problem this point of the season:
- Goaltending issues are now fixed. Smith/Rittich give them a chance to win every night.
- Gaudreau is top 3 in league scoring.
- Monahan is top 8 in goals.
- Ferland is having a decent (contract) year.
- Gio/Hamilton/Stone/Kulak are firing on all cylinders. Hamonic is getting better.
- 3M line is consistent.

I expected better results.

Yet, there is a slight chance we might barely miss the playoffs, because this team (looking at you Bennett/GG/DC) squanders 2 points on a consistent basis.

I wish Trelivng lottery-protected the 1st round pick.

The California Teams winning ain't making things easier.

Your move Wizard . . . i expect big things to happen before the trade deadline.

Still can't believe we gifted the no-good place 6 pts.

on the bright side, isnt our record 9-3-4 in the last 16?

While it's not that you are wrong to have expectations be high or feel that people building this team shouldn't be held accountable if things don't go well, there are a few things in your post that stand out to me.

- one, tree didn't go all in with the picks simply with this season in mind. That's a move made to hopefully have positive impact beyond this year and was far from a "short term move". People seem to falsely assume all moves involving picks as giving up on the future for right now. It depends on the move. That move was more a long term sacrifice for hopefully short but also medium and potentially long term gain.

- two, missing the playoffs, as painful as it is for the fans, does not mean what it used to even 10 years ago. Teams win the cup then miss the next year, then contend again the following year. Not saying the best of the best don't find more consistency than that, but missing doesn't mean you are that far off necissarily.

This team is still young and at most is just starting it's window with almost all it's best players in their early 20's with more improving to do and maturing to do. Not saying it's the entire issue, but it's part of why they are so inconsistent.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Again... 10-3-4 in their last 17 games.

No issue with being critical of certain players or breaking down a bad period... but the manufactured outrage and disappointment by a growing number of people in post game threads like this is getting ridiculous.

The team is playing .750 hockey.

That's a big enough sample size since after Christmas that those of you dropping "I expect better" need to pause for deeper thought.

Or 3 wins in their last 10 games, which is .300 hockey. It's easy to cherry pick good stretches to support your argument but that doesn't really refute my point.

They're in 9th in the conference. I'm looking at the season as a whole. 9th is not good enough. No other way to spin it for me. I expected higher and I still do.

If you expected a bubble team that's fine, but I didn't and I still don't.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

While it's not that you are wrong to have expectations be high or feel that people building this team shouldn't be held accountable if things don't go well, there are a few things in your post that stand out to me.

- one, tree didn't go all in with the picks simply with this season in mind. That's a move made to hopefully have positive impact beyond this year and was far from a "short term move". People seem to falsely assume all moves involving picks as giving up on the future for right now. It depends on the move. That move was more a long term sacrifice for hopefully short but also medium and potentially long term gain.

- two, missing the playoffs, as painful as it is for the fans, does not mean what it used to even 10 years ago. Teams win the cup then miss the next year, then contend again the following year. Not saying the best of the best don't find more consistency than that, but missing doesn't mean you are that far off necissarily.

This team is still young and at most is just starting it's window with almost all it's best players in their early 20's with more improving to do and maturing to do. Not saying it's the entire issue, but it's part of why they are so inconsistent.

Exactly this. i think the team is aiming for cup contention in the second half of the JG/SM contracts. Recent moves are designed to achieve that. Contend for a few years and win a cup in that window. Let star players move on thereafter if they wish to follow the money and avoid having to sign any player in their late twenties to an expensive contract that becomes an albatross a few years later. That's the model.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Or 3 wins in their last 10 games, which is .300 hockey. It's easy to cherry pick good stretches to support your argument but that doesn't really refute my point.

They're in 9th in the conference. I'm looking at the season as a whole. 9th is not good enough. No other way to spin it for me. I expected higher and I still do.

If you expected a bubble team that's fine, but I didn't and I still don't.

That is a direct result of poor stretches last year and there's nothing that can be done about that now.

It's not Cherry picking to point out how well and tight they've largely been playing over six weeks.

Mentioned above:

have won or held a lead at some point in the third period of 17 consecutive games

speaks to how much better defensively the team has been playing over that stretch. There is a noticeable difference.

You can spin it any way you want. When we look at the difference and consistency through the last six weeks, it's definitely a team playing very well.

Expecting that we're going to run nearly unbeaten through the rest of the year to make up for the slow start and inconsistency in 2017 isn't at all realistic or logical.