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We don't have a lot of young players. We have a fairly normal amount of young players for a top level team. Only one player on our top six and one defensemans is on their ELC, and the rest are all at about their prime. We're also a cap team that's traded away a significant portion of their draft picks to be competitive now.
There's not likely to be the kind of internal growth that's going to push this team to a higher level, and we don't have more resources to spend.
Saying that this team isn't designed to go for it now is to say this team will never go for it.
The only significant upgrade options are
a) completely fleecing another team on a hockey trade
b) superlucky drafting
c) coaching change.
The rest is tinkering and hoping for a good run at the right time. That's not to say that tinkering and patience are terrible options, that's really the basic status of most teams.
But if you don't think that Gulutzan is a top coach, then I think it's fairly obvious we should try to upgrade, because not trying to find the best possible coach for the team would be throwing away a chance to be better.
I think it's fairly obvious Gulutzan is not a top coach on the NHL level. It's debatable whether he's a bad coach (my opinion, he's pretty bad) or a mediocre coach. If he's bad not getting rid of him is just stupid, because bad coaches can have longterm detrimental effects on the development of a team.
If he's a mediocre coach it really only comes down to the question of whether an upgrade can be found.
But really I don't see any reason to let a mediocre coach wait out his contract in the situation we're in, which IMO is clearly a team that's supposed to be going for it.
We may be average age wise, but not many teams "core" guys are as young as Calgary's.
Look at the Pens...they are almost identical in average age to the Flames, but their Malkin/Crosby duo is a combined 25 seasons into their career.
Monahan/Gaudreau (our equivalents?) are in their combined 10th season.
On defense i would say its about even, but in G we are much older.
Obviously a team like TB has as young/er core guys as Cgy, but beyond them its all about where the age sits among key guys.
I was bored and went over to see where GG stands for coaching wins for the Flames. Apparently the win in Chicago was enough to move him into sole possession of 9th. Not out of the realm of possibility that he will be 7th by end of the year, passing Keenan and Brian Sutter.
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I am a diehard flames fan so whether or not I like or agree with GG decisions, I hope they as a team succeed. It doesn't change the fact I believe there will be better coaching options this summer and would still like GG replaced but it clearly isn't the right time right now to make a move so I think we as fans should just support the team and put the replace GG to rest until seasons end..... small shots in PGT after a loss is still ok though
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We may be average age wise, but not many teams "core" guys are as young as Calgary's.
Look at the Pens...they are almost identical in average age to the Flames, but their Malkin/Crosby duo is a combined 25 seasons into their career.
Monahan/Gaudreau (our equivalents?) are in their combined 10th season.
Crosby and Mallon has a combined 9 seasons between them when they won their first Cup. We’re far from old, but we’re not too young to expect more success than we’re having.
Well I wasn't talking about what I would do, I was suggesting what I think the team would do. And I said if they make the playoffs, he's almost certainly back. If they got swept again, that would be the scenario where it isn't certain.
If your beliefs are true then you know more than the people running lots of NHL teams. There is an incentive by owners to cheap out on coaches as they can make more money. What is the incentive to pay super expensive coaches? Really need a business loss to offset a sweet investment?
Coaching matters. I don't think it's going to turn a bottom team into a top team, but I sure thing it could take a middle of the pack team and move them up to the top 3rd of the league, which is what I think the Flames can be. I think the Flames can be a top 10 team, just not with GG. I think he doesn't adapt his system to the strengths of his team, and I think he is too stubborn. To admit his mistakes.
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Won three in a row and this thread drops off the first page, lose one game and here we go again.
On that note, I'll quote what I just posted in the PGT.
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What on Earth was Gulutzan doing using his coach's challenge on the disallowed goal? Even after the refs waved it off the first time?
That was going to be disallowed every day of the week and twice on Sundays? I wanted it to count and knew it wouldnt, why did he feel that was an important hill to die on?
Once the refs wave it off you regroup, rally the troops and storm the Goddamned gates, not continue to whine.
Was there something there that I didnt see? I was watching it with the sound off so I couldnt get all of the commentary but from what I saw there was no way that was going to count and I couldnt even tell when the whistle went.
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Assuming that the rumors are true about the disconnect between Quennville and Bowman in Chicago. Should Joel Quennville become available, do the Flames attempt to hire him regardless of Gulutzan making the playoffs/winning a round/missing the playoffs? I would think if Q is available, Calgary should try to hire him.
Assuming that the rumors are true about the disconnect between Quennville and Bowman in Chicago. Should Joel Quennville become available, do the Flames attempt to hire him regardless of Gulutzan making the playoffs/winning a round/missing the playoffs? I would think if Q is available, Calgary should try to hire him.
Going to be a bidding war for him. I see tons of teams throwing offers at him even the Oilers.
Going to be a bidding war for him. I see tons of teams throwing offers at him even the Oilers.
Foolish decision. Oilers owe Todd McLellan another $6 million over 2 years after this season. Wouls they really be interested in spending another $3 million at Quennville on top of it? What if he doesn’t improve them? Then they’re spending Lucic money for head coaching for nothing.
Foolish decision. Oilers owe Todd McLellan another $6 million over 2 years after this season. Wouls they really be interested in spending another $3 million at Quennville on top of it? What if he doesn’t improve them? Then they’re spending Lucic money for head coaching for nothing.
Scotty Bowman's reanimated corpse with Gretzky and Lowe playing 'Weekend at Bernie's' wouldnt get that sorry sack of losers a single place in the standings.
And I mean that. I think Todd McLellan is a con-man with little to no actual coaching skill to speak of and I still dont believe that a competent coach could do any better with that group of pathological losers.
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