[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames willing to listen on Gillies or Rittich for a scoring winger

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Stone is the best player in the deal by a mile and Phaneuf at $5m isn't any worst than Brodie (the last 2 years)

Actually, I would take Phaneuf on our 2nd pairing with Hammer over Brodie with ease!

The only way this favors the Sens is if Bennett turns into the stud we think he can or Gillies wins a Vezina.

Hamrlik isn’t in the league anymore

[Caged Great]

How about a huge deal.

Hamilton + Brodie + Brouwer + Kylington + Gillies

For

Karlsson + Hoffman + Pageau

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

How about a huge deal.

Hamilton + Brodie + Brouwer + Kylington + Gillies

For

Karlsson + Hoffman + Pageau

I've smoked an 8th and had 6 beers and this trade seems bad to me.

Change hoffman to stone and then it maybe makes sense.

[eldaczar]

Goalies are the most valuable asset. Thats why the organization has been picking a tender early for the past couple years in the draft... its worked out and now we have assets to trade and use (Rittich, Gillies, Parsons,Mcdonald) to improve a position of weakness such as a scoring first line right winger.

[savemedrzaius]

Goalies also don't typically get a lot back in a trade. Even when they are established they don't get much in return.

I'm not sure what a team gets for a goalie prospect in a trade. Probably better to hang on to all of them and see what pans out.

Leafs picked up Pickard basically off waivers and he has been amazing in the AHL. His numbers this year are 20 GP 1.89 GAA .931 SVP

If they traded him I wouldn't expect much back.

[BruceCody]

Hmm, Frolik and Brouwer are good "scoring" wingers, Ferklund are bad scoring in Treliving universe, seems like. Why Flames does not willing to listen on Frolik or Brouwer or both?

[Itse]

I get a strong "throwing bad money after good" vibe from this. If Gulutzan is as incapable of making adjustments in the playoffs as he is in the regular season, throwing more resources at the problem isn't going to solve that. We'll get outcoached before we go deep, and any future we traded away will be just wasted.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don't get an established top 6 RW for Gillies. Maybe Gillies plus Bennett?

Eberle fetched Ryan Strome. Gillies and Bennett would be an overpayment for just a top 6 winger. Elite winger maybe.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Eberle fetched Ryan Strome. Gillies and Bennett would be an overpayment for just a top 6 winger. Elite winger maybe.

The Flames have made one trade with Edmonton in recent memory. So I doubt there's any deals as good for Calgary.

Gillies has played one game in the NHL. As good a prospect as he is, GMs won't overvalue him in a trade. And a roster player like Bennett is often needed to fill the hole created on the other team.

[Erick Estrada]

Yeah but there's a difference between a top 6 winger and top line winger. A guy like Frolik is not worth Gillies and Bennett. Not even close. I certainly wouldn't offer that deal for Hoffman.

[Toonage]

CGY:
Hoffman
2019 2nd

OTT:
Gillies
2019 1st

Gotta give to get. Flames get their player and recoup a 2nd for next year.

Ottawa gets the blue chip goalie prospect and recoups a 1st for next year

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Toonage

CGY:
Hoffman
2019 2nd

OTT:
Gillies
2019 1st

Gotta give to get. Flames get their player and recoup a 2nd for next year.

Ottawa gets the blue chip goalie prospect and recoups a 1st for next year

Ottawa I would imagine is still going to be bad next year so this is like Hoffman and the 35th overall pick for Gillies and the 20th overall pick. Horrible trade for Ottawa.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Ottawa I would imagine is still going to be bad next year so this is like Hoffman and the 35th overall pick for Gillies and the 20th overall pick. Horrible trade for Ottawa.

Fair point. But its likely the starting point given what Calgary has to work with. And assuming Ottawa is at all interested in Gillies. Ottawa also saving $5m a year for the next 2 years is no small change.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Toonage

CGY:
Hoffman
2019 2nd

OTT:
Gillies
2019 1st

Gotta give to get. Flames get their player and recoup a 2nd for next year.

Ottawa gets the blue chip goalie prospect and recoups a 1st for next year

The Gillis part of the deal is not the problem, but trading away another first is. The Flames do have some redundancy in terms of goalie prospects, and setting one or two free is an inevitability. As for picks, while not a sure thing, going short on two or three drafts is a recipe for failure in today's game. Not saying it's not a fair deal, but the Flames under Sutter chased the same illusion and it cost a decade of mediocrity. As stated in another post, if the coach can't find a way to move up a level with what's on board at the moment, then you have to start looking at the coach.

I believe the Flames have the components to lift the cup, and I would already be looking to make deals to sustain the future, not bolster the present.

[Imported_Aussie]

Gillies and Andersson, while being good prospects, make total sense to be in play for trades. Goaltender and Defence have become positions of depth, and RW and to an extent C (if Backlund walks) are positions of weakness.
If the Flames see Rittich as the locked in #2 next season, and Parsons having the most upside long term to be a #1, then Gillies is stuck in the middle. Trading him gives space for Parsons to play more and develop his game. By the time Smith is done, the flames will know what they have in Rittich (#1, #1B or good backup) and Parsons may be ready to step up.

On defence, Andersson and Fox are both good prospects at RD, which happens to be a stacked position as well. Hamilton is young himself, then Hamonic and Stone are both new acquisitions under contract 2 more years. While you could make a case for moving one of those two to promote Andersson, if you are trading with a team bottoming out, the prospect holds more value. If Fox is seen to have the higher upside (which I personally feel is true) but is also a couple of years off the NHL roster, then timing could work out that you time the prospect arriving to when Brodie, Hamonic and Stone all approach UFA. So with a full NHL roster and a high upside prospect behind him (who times better for the team) Andersson is also stuck in the middle.

This is what a team needs to do when it accumulates young talent - promote the players who make the leap and trade the "nearly there" guys for positional needs you could not address in the draft.

So positions of weakness to address - definitely RW. Ferland is playing well with the top unit, but is a guy who could move up and down the lineup. Adding a difference maker to the top 6 would take the pressure off Gaudreau and stop teams being able to key in on him as the main threat. Frolik plays well as a #2/3 guy, and Ferland can play either side in the top 9. LW is set in the top 6 with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, and the flames have a lot of guys who can fit into 3/4 line roles.

With how many picks have moved out recently, unless you are getting a truly amazing opportunity, that 2019 first should be off the table. And by truly amazing, I mean an elite player like Karlsson - in other words, a pipe dream. I also feel that other touted prospects like Dube and Valimaki are not as easily replaced from within. Dube looks to be a great 3/4 line guy who may have upside to 2nd line, and Valimaki looks the well rounded LD who could sit long term in the top 4.

So if Gillies and Andersson are expendable by Parsons and Fox, and Valimaki, Dube and 2019 first are off the table, there isn't a lot more to trade that teams will want. Kylington is a wildcard, as is Mangiapane, but they may hold more internal value, No one is clamouring for Klimchuk, Wotherspoon, etc.

So to improve the roster without sacrificing from the current NHL forwards, it is Gillies and Andersson by process of elimination. Should not be a revelation to anyone.

Now if they want to move players off the current roster, that becomes easier in the offseason. Trading Brodie now might improve one part of the roster, but it creates a hole that is hard to fill mid season from within. Bennett may be a candidate in many people's minds, as 3LW is easier to fill that a top 4 D, but then he holds a higher value internally than externally. If a team asks for him, and the deal looks good, he could be moved, but I wouldn't be dangling him out there. Trading the highest draft pick in team history will be heavily scrutinized, and the offseason is a better time to make that kind of a move, with more teams at the table to deal and more time to address any holes created in the lineup. Browuer has negative value, and would mean adding to a deal. Stajan should be afforded the chance to retire a flame, or at least leave as a UFA. Versteeg is injured, and in a way, is kind of like a deadline pickup when he comes back from injury. Backlund is too valuable to move while playoffs are realistic.

TL;DR - Gillies and Andersson are for all intents and purposes, the only desirable assets that the Flames can consider move to improve the team, without opening new holes in the roster

And if the trade is with Ottawa for a RW, then its Stone (paying a premium over those prospects for one of the few guys Ottawa wants to keep) or Pageau (paying only 1 prospect, and then only filling the 3rd line). I don't know what is there...

[jlh2640]

I would be careful trading any of our prospect goalies at this point. But it is a luxury we have. D and G right now. Depends on who the player is.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

People are so fixated on Ottawa. How about Brodie, Brouwer and Gilles for Hayden Fleury, Nicolas Roy and a 2nd?

Nicolas Roy may not be the scoring winger that they want, but he's solid 2-way, strong at faceoffs and seems to make his linemates better. Another Jankowski. Fleury is a LD reset, move Brouwer to a change of scenery, and recoup a pick.

In the aggregate, I think that the Flames do well. Carolina could use all of those players.

The Hurricanes are looking to deal defence to get scoring help up front, not the other way around. They have no room for Brodie.

[Gaskal]

Andersson and Gillies to Buffalo for Kane!

(immediately gets beat up by everyone for many differing reasons)

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Andersson and Gillies to Buffalo for Kane!

(immediately gets beat up by everyone for many differing reasons)

I would be on board. Not sure about Buffalo though.

[Toonage]

Flames aren't moving two of their top prospects for a UFA.

Unless there was an extension in place.

Shiver.