2017-18 NFL Playoffs Thread - Page 71 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Senator Clay Davis · 02-05-2018, 07:34 AM

Teams are utterly desperate for league average QB play. The Jags might have won the Super Bowl with league average QB play. All it takes is one team to convince themselves, and with at least 25% of the league QB starved, someone will take a chance on Foles, just as they will Keenum. As long as the guaranteed money is under $40 million, that's all that really matters long term.

MRCboicgy · 02-05-2018, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s crazy how close the Pats Super Bowl games always are - 8 Super Bowls with a combined score differential of +4 for the pats (+19 in 5 wins, -15 in 3 losses).

It’s crazy how you could look back at those games and realistically could make a case for them going 0-8, and a case for them going 8-0.

He's definitely two hand-offs / two poor coaching decisions against from being 3-5.

transplant99 · 02-05-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Teams are utterly desperate for league average QB play. The Jags might have won the Super Bowl with league average QB play. All it takes is one team to convince themselves, and with at least 25% of the league QB starved, someone will take a chance on Foles, just as they will Keenum. As long as the guaranteed money is under $40 million, that's all that really matters long term.

Well for one thing, there is no money needed to be added as he is under contract moving forward. Though it will be up to him if he plays hardball with anyone wanting to acquire him.

Secondly, and this is just from reading" insiders/experts", they all suggest that Philly will listen obviously, but the most they expect the deal to include is a 2nd rd pick. If Im Philly I dont move him for that with the Wentz injury and not knowing exactly when he will be back.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-do-nick-foles

Erick Estrada · 02-05-2018, 07:57 AM

I don’t think he would fetch as much as Alex Smith. I doubt they could get a 2nd round pick for him especially considering that there’s a lot of QB’s available in free agency this season. He’s worth more to the Eagles as an insurance policy than a 3rd round pick IMO.

ResAlien · 02-05-2018, 08:07 AM

1) Joe Flacco
2) Joe Flacco
3) Joe Flacco

The glow of the victory has not faded but let’s be realistic here. This is Nick Foles. If some stupid team wants to give up a high pick for him cool but that team’s fan base should be prepared for abysmal disappointment. He did a great job as a backup and that’s what he is. He can stay in philly and shepherd the offence for the first month until Wentz is fully healthy to return. Don’t fly too close to the sun there Icarus.

Senator Clay Davis · 02-05-2018, 08:10 AM

This is an extremely poor QB draft class, so much so that Josh Allen, a third round talent, is in the conversation for number one overall. If you're a near contender like the Bills or Cardinals or Broncos, Foles is far more appealing than a rookie. Pederson also got the Eagles job primarily for his history of QB development. This is still the NFL, ruthlessness prevails. Eagles have to believe they can survive with another backup. Foles value will never be higher. Would be naive not to cash in now, especially since he's a UFA at the end of next year.

ResAlien · 02-05-2018, 08:13 AM

I’m the double post king lately.

Erick Estrada · 02-05-2018, 08:16 AM

You have Kirk Cousins, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum, and Teddy Bridgewater all UFA. Teams don't have to give up anything to sign them. Can anyone say that Foles is guaranteed to better than those QB's on a different team? I can't see it. Cousins is better, and Bradford has been better throughout his career, and Keenum is probably in the same conversation as Foles in that he's been around but in the right situation can win. Bridgewater will be intriguing because he was looking like a possible franchise QB prior to injury. I just don't see the Eagles as sitting on this gold mine with Foles. I'm sure teams will contact the Eagles but I don't expect the offers to be higher than a 3rd round pick for a guy that's going to be UFA in a season.

chemgear · 02-05-2018, 08:24 AM

https://twitter.com/user/status/960352696120283137

Senator Clay Davis · 02-05-2018, 08:28 AM

How is Cousins better? He's choked in all their biggest games. Bradford is glass. Teddy us a game manager at his peak. Keenum is basically the same from a risk perspective. Foles was mediocre under Jeff Fisher, but who wasn't? Foles has a 27TD, 2INT season, the others do not. Foles is certainly not appreciably worse than the FA guys, and there's a decent chance he's better.

Erick Estrada · 02-05-2018, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

How is Cousins better? He's choked in all their biggest games. Bradford is glass. Teddy us a gane manager at his peak. Keenum is basically the same from a risk perspective. Foles was mediocre under Jeff Fisher, but who wasn't? Foles has a 27TD, 2INT season, the others do not. Foles is certainly not appreciably worse than the FA guys, and there's a decent chance he's better.

Why are you being so contrarian? Cousins had another solid season despite a terrible situation in Washington as they had no skill at receiver and their best weapon (Jordan Reed) missing considerable time. Take a look at their receiver stats. Its very impressive what Cousins managed to do with some of the worst talent in the league. I have no doubt that Foles would have done worse in this situation. Zero doubt. Bradford has injury issues but when healthy he's very efficient and IMO can fit into more offenses than Foles. Again you don't have to give up any draft picks to sign Bradford so you have to believe that you can re-create the Andy Reid offense for Foles and have the necessary surrounding talent to want to give up a quality draft pick for him. Not saying teams won't consider it but I think there's a lot of intriguing QB's in the market this season that don't warrant giving up any assets for.

Senator Clay Davis · 02-05-2018, 08:54 AM

Cousins is expecting $30 million a season. Foles might cost literally half as much. Cousins is the same as Foles in the sense neither is Aaron Rodgers level of carrying a poor team very far. But those types of QBs are obviously rare. Bradford will be cheap too, but requires an expensive backup with his glass nature. Teddy is highly unlikely to get any serious long term money, he's probably on a one year show me, and to me Tyrod is a better bet.

But Foles is clutch. We have irrefutable proof of this. Cousins has proven nothing in that regard, and in an actual playoff game and an effective playoff game played poorly.

chemgear · 02-05-2018, 10:27 AM

Haha, wtf?!

https://twitter.com/user/status/960383848625393664[/QUOTE]

Galakanokis · 02-05-2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yeah he might love Philly, but I'm guessing he loves the idea of $30-40 million guaranteed a lot more. And I'm guessing the Eagles like the thought of finding another backup QB while scoring a first round pick as well. I'd rather have Foles than Keenum, and probably Cousins too for that matter. Cousins has a propensity for choking in big games, Foles obviously not so much. Eagles and Foles will both cash in here.

He's under contract and the Eagles will not release him so a team will have to cough up assets and money for him if he will re-sign. I like Foles, I had faith in him when Wentz went down and everyone was calling for Kaepernick and I wouldn't throw money at him to be a full time starter. Now most NFL GM's are morons and somebody might put something together but I don't see Foles wanting to go to the Browns or whomever else sucks only to be thrown under the bus in a year or two. Foles is not a football player, it is not his passion like it is with most out there and he has no desire to be the guy and the money and status don't mean anything to him. I can easily see him staying for another year.

Foles is a below average QB that took a pretty special coach (in my mind) to get the most out of him. How many Coaches completely revamp their playbook to fit a backup QB?

Senator Clay Davis · 02-05-2018, 11:41 AM

Foles as a below average QB is a pretty bizarre statement. His career TD:INT ratio is actually better than alleged surefire franchise QB Kirk Cousins. Foles is being severely undervalued based off one Jeff Fisher coached season. Maybe the real takeaway here and from this season as a whole is Fisher is quite a terrible coach even if his record suggests pure mediocrity. Virtually everyone seems better once he's not involved.

Senator Clay Davis · 02-05-2018, 11:54 AM

Big ups to Duracell on winning the Super Bowl Twitter MVP

https://twitter.com/user/status/960352900546547712

Galakanokis · 02-05-2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Foles as a below average QB is a pretty bizarre statement. His career TD:INT ratio is actually better than alleged surefire franchise QB Kirk Cousins. Foles is being severely undervalued based off one Jeff Fisher coached season. Maybe the real takeaway here and from this season as a whole is Fisher is quite a terrible coach even if his record suggests pure mediocrity. Virtually everyone seems better once he's not involved.

He was terrible in his second season under Kelly and not so good under Reid as well. I love Foles more than any man should love a backup QB but that is what he is, a backup QB.

Senator Clay Davis · 02-05-2018, 12:19 PM

Considering some of the losers who started games this year, Foles is a low level starter at worst in the current NFL landscape.

dirk diggler · 02-05-2018, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Foles as a below average QB is a pretty bizarre statement. His career TD:INT ratio is actually better than alleged surefire franchise QB Kirk Cousins. Foles is being severely undervalued based off one Jeff Fisher coached season. Maybe the real takeaway here and from this season as a whole is Fisher is quite a terrible coach even if his record suggests pure mediocrity. Virtually everyone seems better once he's not involved.

this season has proved what many had thought for years, that Fischer is a bad coach and should never get a HC job again. Kennum, Foles and Goff all look pretty good once they got away from him.

chemgear · 02-05-2018, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk diggler

this season has proved what many had thought for years, that Fischer is a bad coach and should never get a HC job again. Kennum, Foles and Goff all look pretty good once they got away from him.

Jeff Fisher is the Edmonton Oilers of the NFL?