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Old 02-04-2018, 09:33 PM   #7061
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Not a deadline target, but CGY should target James van Reimsdyk this summer.
Does he not have Calgary no his no trade list? If so - unlikely he would sign here.
I think that's something we should be aware of. Calgary is likely amongst the least preferred free agent destinations now in part due to the organization instability that the arena issue is creating.
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:38 PM   #7062
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Does he not have Calgary no his no trade list? If so - unlikely he would sign here.
I think that's something we should be aware of. Calgary is likely amongst the least preferred free agent destinations now in part due to the organization instability that the arena issue is creating.
Does tbis mean Edmonton is high on the list for pending free agents?
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Does tbis mean Edmonton is high on the list for pending free agents?
Yeah they're lined up for the chance to share a dressing room with McWhinner, even sign for league minimum, nothing like being able to see the "Crossover" closeup.
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They won't put him.on waivers. That's why he's been rotting in the press box all season. The Leafs don't want to lose him on waivers.

It's a strange situation. The Leafs projected him in the expansion draft. Then barely played him. Then re-signed him for next year. Then continued to sit him.
So the GM likes him but the coach doesn't.
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Old 02-04-2018, 10:46 PM   #7065
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So the GM likes him but the coach doesn't.
And he has potential, but they don't think they have room for him
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:05 PM   #7066
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Does tbis mean Edmonton is high on the list for pending free agents?
My honest answer is that they have a couple of things going for them. A new arena and a lot of guys want to play with someone like McDavid.
But what is working against you is that you have to live in Edmonton.
That isn't a shot at the city, but in a world where guys can pick almost any major city in NA to live in - who is going to pick Edmonton, in the winter no less!
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Does he not have Calgary no his no trade list? If so - unlikely he would sign here.
I think that's something we should be aware of. Calgary is likely amongst the least preferred free agent destinations now in part due to the organization instability that the arena issue is creating.
never say never i guess.

during the all star game, it might have been hrudey or Oakes, but they were talking with MAF and he said that he was fully expecting to be traded to Calgary.

and even though he had calgary on his no trade list, he would have accepted the trade...

i mean, that's a hypothetical situation of course, if it were to really have happened, he might have had second thoughts.

Personally, i don't think the arena issue would play that much of an issue for a player: in the end, their contracts are guaranteed. Not sure why the arena uncertainty would affect one's decision any more than getting traded to (or signing as a UFA with) a team that is hemorrhaging money or one that plays in front of arenas 60% full.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:23 PM   #7068
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I'd rather the Leafs trade JVR for futures and just move one of the young guys up in the lineup. JVR is amazing on the PP and in front of the net, but he can be frustrating at times to watch.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:53 PM   #7069
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I'd rather the Leafs trade JVR for futures and just move one of the young guys up in the lineup. JVR is amazing on the PP and in front of the net, but he can be frustrating at times to watch.
You had me at "amazing on the PP."....just like my ex
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Old 02-05-2018, 12:14 AM   #7070
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Does he not have Calgary no his no trade list? If so - unlikely he would sign here.
I think that's something we should be aware of. Calgary is likely amongst the least preferred free agent destinations now in part due to the organization instability that the arena issue is creating.
Disagree here.

I do think that the arena is a point of consideration, but not very big. Having a nice practice facility and other luxuries are definitely things to consider that appeal to players (just listen to Iginla talk about the Igloo, for instance).

However, players usually pick their destinations from the following list in this usual order:

1) Money
2) Chance to win
3) Opportunity
4) Location

Every other factor is probably just 'a nice to have'.

Players will always follow the money, but are willing to take a bit less for a legitimate chance to win. They also go to a team where they won't be pushed down the roster (like a top 6 forward knowingly sign somewhere for reduced ice-time), and in some cases, they will take a bit less to play with a premier player (maybe not take less, but will choose that team over others if the money is the same).

Location is something that some teams either have or don't. NYR are going to continue attracting the best free agents. Winnipeg is going to continue to have the most trouble. However, if Winnipeg suddenly goes and makes the finals, I think they will have an easier time attracting top talent without having to overpay for them.

I think Calgary's chances of landing free agents without overpaying (you can get anyone you want almost, as long as you are willing to offer them a ridiculous, crippling contract) will be dictated by their on-ice success. We have seen it firsthand ourselves when Calgary had to overpay for middling players in the 90's and early 2000's, but after making that cup run, was probably one of the premier landing spots for a couple of seasons.

One only has to look at the Oilers. They couldn't get anyone to sign with them due to their reputation on how they treat players, their location and their chances to win. They managed to sign Lucic for a bit less money than Vancouver offered, as Lucic thought he would be playing with McDavid, racking up the points, and be having a legitimate chance to win. I mean, Lucic wasn't very intelligent in his decision making process, but that was probably what he was thinking of. I don't think he was thinking of the shiny new arena as being that important.

When Vancouver was winning, they were attracting decent talent. Now? It is over-paying for declining vets. If they turn it around, they will start attracting better players while at the same time not having to overpay.

Calgary's ability to attract FAs will largely be based on their on-ice performance this year, rather than their arena discussions (debacle), unless a FA feels that there is a strong chance this team will move. Given the market, I find it extremely unlikely, and I would bet on that if I was a FA.

If Arizona starts winning and becomes a stable franchise, I really believe they would be in the top 5 or 10 most preferred destinations in the NHL. Continue to lose, and continue to raise questions about your future existence, then yeah, then suddenly the 'arena' issue is much more important. I don't think that is the same case in Calgary. They COULD move, but given the market, it is unlikely.
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Old 02-05-2018, 07:02 AM   #7071
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Does he not have Calgary no his no trade list? If so - unlikely he would sign here.
I think that's something we should be aware of. Calgary is likely amongst the least preferred free agent destinations now in part due to the organization instability that the arena issue is creating.
Yes he does. Cross him off the list.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:16 AM   #7072
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There sure haven't been that many trades this year.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:20 AM   #7073
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There sure haven't been that many trades this year.
This is the new norm as trades are so complex now that most only make sense around the trade deadline and draft.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:28 AM   #7074
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It's actually been more active as far as in-year hockey trades when you consider the Duchene/turris 3-team trade, the henrique move.

Maybe not?
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:36 AM   #7075
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Also not a lot of sellers yet because the tight standings
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:41 AM   #7076
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It's actually been more active as far as in-year hockey trades when you consider the Duchene/turris 3-team trade, the henrique move.

Maybe not?
Yeah I would say more active than normal in regards to big names being moved within the season. The Duchene trade was one of those trades that had to happen eventually though and the Ducks were in a dire situation with injuries at the center position.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:59 AM   #7077
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Also not a lot of sellers yet because the tight standings
I think for that reason alone the deadline will be a tad boring this year.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:00 AM   #7078
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The deadline has been pretty dull the past few years. I expect no different this year. Would I still rather stay home and watch that than go to work? Yes. Yes I would.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:06 AM   #7079
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Disagree here.

However, players usually pick their destinations from the following list in this usual order:

1) Money
2) Chance to win
3) Opportunity
4) Location

Every other factor is probably just 'a nice to have'.

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Agreed. And Calgary is no different than Edmonton when it comes to location for an NHL player. Cold winters and brown spring and very short summer - everywhere in Alberta = STAY AWAY unless the money is good - the team is poised to win - and/or you grew up here and its a homecoming.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:11 AM   #7080
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Agreed. And Calgary is no different than Edmonton when it comes to location for an NHL player. Cold winters and brown spring and very short summer - everywhere in Alberta = STAY AWAY unless the money is good - the team is poised to win - and/or you grew up here and its a homecoming.
I'm not sure about that one. How many ex-NHL players have settled in Edmonton vs Calgary after their careers were over? How many current players live in Calgary vs Edmonton in the off-season that belong to other teams?

I have no idea what those numbers are, but I would be confident in betting my life that Calgary is a more attractive location than Edmonton.
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