[PGT] Flames win in OT!

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No, they were GIFTED the most lenient expansion draft rules ever, combined with the fact that they were the only expansion team selecting players in the draft.

Go back and look at the garbage all the other expansion teams had to choose from.

They paid $500 million for the team, so I'm not sure those expansion rules can really be considered a gift.

[TheIronMaiden]

Shortening the bench is good down the stretch. That said I don't think that it should be a crutch because 82 games is a marathon. Last night was the perfect time to do it. I expect that we will see more in the remaining games, and I am not surprised we didn't see more in the first half of the season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

Curious what everyone's thoughts were on the line juggling and shortening the bench that took place in this game. Personally, one of my biggest criticisms of Gulutzan has been his insistence on rolling 1-2-3-4 in all situations, so to see him double-shift the top 6 and keep the 4th line on the bench was encouraging. I think it's easy to forget that he's still young for a coach, and he should be learning and improving on the job...

I said in another thread that I don't necessarily think this points to him "improving" on-the-job. I think it is likely that the plan all along has been to adjust players' ice time accordingly as the games ramp up closer to the playoffs. It makes sense to me that as the coaches lean more on their top lines these players also have a lot more to give when it matters most if they have had their time managed over the course of a full season.

[flameester]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

1 goal in his last 51 games, -8 (worst on team), and useless on the PP. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I’m not sure you are watching the same games as a lot of us are.

Well maybe your opinion is not what it should be either.

Last night it was mentioned that Brodie had a very good game by the announcers, but maybe they don't know what they are talking about either.

[flameester]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Too bad he’s just a one trick pony, am I doing this right?

A " One Trick Pony " that 29 other teams would love to have.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I said in another thread that I don't necessarily think this points to him "improving" on-the-job. I think it is likely that the plan all along has been to adjust players' ice time accordingly as the games ramp up closer to the playoffs. It makes sense to me that as the coaches lean more on their top lines these players also have a lot more to give when it matters most if they have had their time managed over the course of a full season.

If the idea is to manage fatigue, then this might be a counter-productive course of action. Keeping the top players' minutes low early in the season means you have to play them more towards the end to achieve your playoff seeding goal, and you'll have a more tired group going into the playoffs. It might be preferable to get a hot start, rest up, and then warm up for the playoffs.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by flameester

A " One Trick Pony " that 29 other teams would love to have.

Which team takes a pass?

[flameester]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I couldn’t care less that Brodie got a point on a 3 on 3 play. He flat out sucks and has for two years now. He deserves a seat on the bench. At least Glen put him on he third pairing for a lot of the third. The onlly reason Chicago got a point tonight wears #7 in a Flames jersey.

The guy should be sitting in the stands next game if this team has any accountability.

Do you really watch the game?

How was Brodie on the 3rd pairing in the 3rd period when Bart didn't see the ice for the last 12 minutes or so?

Your hate of Brodie is embarrassing.

Your saying the onlly reason Chicago got a point would be like me saying the onlly reason Calgary won was because of Brodie.

Can I ask you something since you are the expert - how do I put you on IGNORE?

[Robbob]

Probably the Oilers because they have like 5 Monahans

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

Actually, considering consensus being that McPhee botched the expansion draft pretty badly on paper (picking players he could have gotten for free, piling up depth defensemen with no room on the roster, making deals to stay away from very useful players etc), he was gifted fairly cushy circumstances.

I do't know if I'd use the word "botched" -- unless you can point to a poster referring to it as such. I think the criticism was mainly that McPhee could have gotten more. But it is difficult to argue against the results, that's a deceptively deep roster and I'll be the first to admit I'm surprised how well some of those picks have performed. I was pretty outspoken prior to the expansion draft that the Flames should pick up Riley Smith, but even I didn't expect the bounce back year he's had.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SebC

If the idea is to manage fatigue, then this might be a counter-productive course of action. Keeping the top players' minutes low early in the season means you have to play them more towards the end to achieve your playoff seeding goal, and you'll have a more tired group going into the playoffs. It might be preferable to get a hot start, rest up, and then warm up for the playoffs.

I don't think the strategy is an "either/or" response. I think the plan was always to play four lines early with a view to adjusting ice time later in the season as the games become more difficult. So no, I don't believe the top lines are playing more now than they would be had the Flames performed better in the early part of the year, which by the way saw them in third-place in the Division after the first 25 games.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Really???

this is now considered something off base somehow?

It sounds like you aren't aware about the racist undertones of the picture selections being one after the other, so I'll give you my take. Take it or leave it, up to you...

Many, many racists like to compare black people to monkeys, which is why your post surprised the people that noticed.

Maybe do away with similar situations in the future where the same misinterpretation could be made...

[Simon96Taco]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

Actually, considering consensus being that McPhee botched the expansion draft pretty badly on paper (picking players he could have gotten for free, piling up depth defensemen with no room on the roster, making deals to stay away from very useful players etc), he was gifted fairly cushy circumstances.

Who cares about "consensus"? Results are what matter.

He's taken what are essentially castoffs and assembled a team that is better than almost all of the teams that discarded those castoffs.

How anyone can see Vegas being gifted some sort of success is absolutely absurd to me.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, either that, or it just demonstrates that most fans really don't know as much as they think they do about building a successful NHL franchise.

That's very true, but there were obviously a few flaws in the selection process. On the other hand there were some serious home runs that no one could have possibly anticipated before the season though, so I guess good circumstances and some good fortune along with a good coach with a chip on his shoulder did wonders for Vegas.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Simon96Taco

Who cares about "consensus"? Results are what matter.

He's taken what are essentially castoffs and assembled a team that is better than almost all of the teams that discarded those castoffs.

How anyone can see Vegas being gifted some sort of success is absolutely absurd to me.

Yeah, I agree with you, it's just a very big difference in overall player quality from the castoffs from previous expansion drafts.

[djsFlames]

The circus flames do it again! Lots of 3 on 3 in the playoffs eh boys

Lol
Lots of playoffs in the playoffs, eh YEG boys

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Or if you prefer

Sefus!

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

I would rather have John Tavares. Where was Monahan when we lost 6 straight?

Not to pile on, but serious question. Have the Islanders never had a 6 game losing streak while Tavares has been on the team and playing?

Originally Posted by chummer

Wow. How useless was he in the 3 on 3?

For a guy who has season's tickets I have no idea why you would spend so much money to jack up your blood pressure. You're the same with the Stamps and Jays.

Not a shot, you just seem to get no enjoyment out of watching your teams.

Brodie is amazing from time to time, I don’t think anyone argues that. I think the issue most people in the “trade Brodie” camp is that he has serious lapses at critical times or he’s is usually on the ice if not solely responsible for some back breaking gafs.
He’s likely a really great guy as he seems to come across. In interviews he seems to care. On the ice he is in his own head too much and I think plays a bit too cocky, but that’s my opinion.. but the on ice results are the results.
He had a great moment last night, but it was a 3 on 3.. man, maybe they need to move Brodie to the right side but as a RW!?!

Originally Posted by Kovaz

Curious what everyone's thoughts were on the line juggling and shortening the bench that took place in this game. Personally, one of my biggest criticisms of Gulutzan has been his insistence on rolling 1-2-3-4 in all situations, so to see him double-shift the top 6 and keep the 4th line on the bench was encouraging. I think it's easy to forget that he's still young for a coach, and he should be learning and improving on the job.

For reference: http://www.shiftchart.com/game/2018-...ckhawks-flames.

Here's what our bottom 6 looked like

1st period

• Mangiapane-Bennett-Brouwer
• Lazar-Stajan-Hathaway

2nd period
These combos each saw a shift:

• Lazar-Bennett-Brouwer
• Mangiapane-Stajan-Hathaway
• Tkachuk-Bennett-Lazar
• Brouwer-Stajan-Hathaway
• Bennett-Backlund-Brouwer
• Lazar-Stajan-Hathaway

3rd period

• Bennett-Stajan-Hathaway (one shift)
• Bennett-Stajan-Brouwer

Mangiapane and Lazar benched, Hathaway benched for the last 10 minutes

Thanks for this! If it’s accurate. Not doubting your efforts but I’m wondering if the bottom 6 was getting mish-mashed like that due to line changes from guys in the bottom taking extended shifts? I didn’t get to watch the game but I read in this thread that Mangiapane had 3 shifts and played 7 minutes? That isn’t accurate is it?

But I’m also curious how Bennett was as C? But reading this I suspect he wasn’t very good due to being bumped to the wing according to your post.

[AC]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Not to pile on, but serious question. Have the Islanders never had a 6 game losing streak while Tavares has been on the team and playing?

Monahan had 2G during the 6 game losing streak.

Islanders lost 5 in a row this season, Tavares had 1G+1A during those 5 games.
Islanders lost 5 in a row last season, Tavares had 1G+1A during those 5 games.

Hmm...

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't think the strategy is an "either/or" response. I think the plan was always to play four lines early with a view to adjusting ice time later in the season as the games become more difficult. So no, I don't believe the top lines are playing more now than they would be had the Flames performed better in the early part of the year, which by the way saw them in third-place in the Division after the first 25 games.

Any idea if he shortened the bench last year? They were fighting for their playoff lives then too.

Frankly when you are sitting 11th in the conference you have little choice but to take a shorter term view on some things. It may not have been his original plan but here we are. The coaching staff undoubtedly recognize how precarious of a spot Flames are in. Build some cushion and you change things up.

And it was one game after all. Probably too early to call this a trend. They got a much needed win using this approach.