[PGT] Bolts 7 Flames 4. Flames blow a third-period lead and lose for the 6th straight game - Page 12 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Enoch Root · 02-01-2018, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Timeouts don't matter much. I put it on the list alongside bag skates as stuff that fans like to talk about that is largely meaningless.
And I'm sure he talks to his team.

I'm not going to win an argument on this board about the coach. I get that.
But again - why are folks so adverse to placing accountability on the guys who literally have the game on their sticks?

Sure Troy Brouwer gets the finger wagged at him a lot.

But it comes to your best players. Tonight Smith wasn't' good enough. Other nights the top line hasn't been. Other nights the 2nd and 3rd lines weren't

Ultimately the players are the ones that decide games.

You keep stating this like it's a fact. It is nothing more than an opinion. Certainly, there would be times that it was ineffective - just like any other measure. But you state it like it is never useful, that it can't serve a purpose. And that's ridiculous.

More importantly though, it isn't necessarily about the timeout. It isn't about whether they are effective. It's about doing something. It's about showing your team that you are fighting for them that you have their backs.

As for putting some onus on the players - absolutely they need to be held accountable. And I think there is plenty of that going on. But the coaching issues are a constant. And they are something that can actually be dealt with. Also, maybe we need a little more holding the players responsible by the coaches.

Beninho · 02-01-2018, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pylon

Maybe Kent Wilson should coach the team.

He can coach with gaskal running the PP.

kukkudo · 02-01-2018, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brick

I don't ever want to hear anyone comparing Mike Smith to Mikka Kiprusoff in the same conversation again.

The Flames still need to find a #1 goaltender.

Lol come on dude he has been our MVP this season, without him they are in Oiler territory.

Corral · 02-01-2018, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brick

I don't ever want to hear anyone comparing Mike Smith to Mikka Kiprusoff in the same conversation again.

The Flames still need to find a #1 goaltender.

I was a doubter on the Mike Smith signing - but I will fully admit I was wrong on that one. He's been a solid #1 for us this year.

Classic_Sniper · 02-01-2018, 10:26 PM

I know everyone hates everything right now. But on a positive note, Kings lost, Ducks lost and the Hawks lost. That helps cushion the blow a bit.

Toonage · 02-01-2018, 10:27 PM

Had I known Kent was on this board I would have given his last article better than Solid on the Athletic. Sorry Kent.

TheScorpion · 02-01-2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brick

I don't ever want to hear anyone comparing Mike Smith to Mikka Kiprusoff in the same conversation again.

The Flames still need to find a #1 goaltender.

Okay, this is nuts.

Strange Brew · 02-01-2018, 10:27 PM

I really believed Flames would squeak into the playoffs. I’m really not so sure right now. That would really suck.

dino7c · 02-01-2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I know everyone hates everything right now. But on a positive note, Kings lost, Ducks lost and the Hawks lost. That helps cushion the blow a bit.

Flames put that effort in for the rest of the year and they are a playoff team.

I'm not very confident they will though

Metro Gnome · 02-01-2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toonage

Had I known Kent was on this board I would have given his last article better than Solid on the Athletic. Sorry Kent.

How dare you

zamler · 02-01-2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transplant99

I get it....firing the coach makes everybody feel good.

It also empowers the players to know they arent held accountable and someone else will pay for their poor play.

Isn't this backwards? The coach can't consistently motivate the players so he's gotta go. If that's not the case then what? Trade half the team?

keenan87 · 02-01-2018, 10:28 PM

I will be very disappointed if the coach isn't fired tomorrow. It would make me question if Treliving and Burke are even watching the games.

dieHARDflameZ · 02-01-2018, 10:28 PM

I think people fail to remember that if the coach (and I'm not defending him) uses his timeout, he loses the ability to challenge a possible critical play down the road. There is a reason coaches save them these days.

SuperMatt18 · 02-01-2018, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

You remember the playoffs last year right?

Game 3 was the only game that was a collapse - and that was probably the worst goaltending performance I’ve ever seen.

To be fair to GG in that game I think he used his timeout.

I also recall GG going for the quick hook after the early softy in game 4 only for Johnson to even give up a softy of his own on the next shot to make it 2-0.

transplant99 · 02-01-2018, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metro Gnome

Did you know I sometimes stop by this site too?

The quote you see is me responding to people asking me about coaching tonight. Before that, I was very vocal about this being almost all on goaltending. Calgary outplayed TBay in aggregate. They deserved better. The list included were minor quibbles I had with GG's decision making, but they weren't offered as THE REASON for the loss.

As for being a "hack", that's your opinion I guess. I have dedicated years of my life to studying the game in great detail, both in terms of statistical analysis and scouting. I have hand counted stats and created my own databases to aid my writing. I have contemporaries and former peers contributing in front offices and I have been interviewed by analytical departments for input into advanced stats. I'm a published writer, and a former chief editor of a network of sites that are now some of the largest independent sports sites in Canada.

I'm certainly not perfect and not always right, but I put a lot of work and effort into my work and I stand by it.

Yes I know who you are. And yes he offered those AS A REASON to fire GG...because of tonights results. And thanks for allowing me my opiniojn, really appreciate that.

And I dont buy your fancy stats and equivocating it to situations on ice when everything is fluid as it is most times.

Sorry.

Yes you are a superstar writer/blog/whatever, and you have earned everything you have gotten, but I have VERY rarely agreed with much of anything you have written. again, sorry. That's what I mean by hack...if thats to harsh I apologize, but its what i was called a hundred years ago when I was a journalist.

You are allowed to be as proud of your stuff as you like, and you should.

But as Shania Twain so eloquently stated..."that don't impress me much"

Beninho · 02-01-2018, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keenan87

I will be very disappointed if the coach isn't fired tomorrow. It would make me question if Treliving and Burke are even watching the games.

Sorry to break it to you but he will be here for the rest of the season, I’d place a bet on that if I could.

Enoch Root · 02-01-2018, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

And if he pulls Smith after the 4-4 goal and Rittich lets in a softy because he is cold, he would still get ripped.

He has no shot of winning here.

And for the record, I don't believe GG is a good coach either, I just don't put anything on him tonight. Bad goaltending is a flat out game killer.

Sure he has a shot at winning here, but he has missed it 6 times in a row now.

Manhattanboy · 02-01-2018, 10:29 PM

Hey Glen:

Jiri Hrdina · 02-01-2018, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You keep stating this like it's a fact. It is nothing more than an opinion. Certainly, there would be times that it was ineffective - just like any other measure. But you state it like it is never useful, that it can't serve a purpose. And that's ridiculous.

More importantly though, it isn't necessarily about the timeout. It isn't about whether they are effective. It's about doing something. It's about showing your team that you are fighting for them that you have their backs.

As for putting some onus on the players - absolutely they need to be held accountable. And I think there is plenty of that going on. But the coaching issues are a constant. And they are something that can actually be dealt with. Also, maybe we need a little more holding the players responsible by the coaches.

Sorry yes it is indeed my opinion that timeouts are over-rated. Not meaning to state that as fact. It is my opinion.

To your other points, I think holding players accountable today is very hard. Most teams don't have a lot of depth. The only card coaches have to play is ice time and when you cut the ice time of your best players you harm your chances.

I meant moreso why fans aren't comfortable holding the players more accountable and specifically the inner core. I see a lot of blame, some of it rightly, against a small number of players. But my long held opinion is you live and die with your best players and if you lose more often than you win, it means your best aren't delivering.

nik- · 02-01-2018, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I think people fail to remember that if the coach (and I'm not defending him) uses his timeout, he loses the ability to challenge a possible critical play down the road. There is a reason coaches save them these days.

But every one? Every game? All the time? If your team is imploding in front of you, maybe forgo the potential future challenging of a call and get their heads back in the game or you probably won't last until a point where a challenge is even relevant.

Maybe the coaching staff thinks unused timeouts get paid out at the end of the season like unused vacation time.