02-01-2018, 04:22 PM
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#521
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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I don't think Reimer (the only NHL goalie moved mid season) gets them in the POs. Who was available that didn't move, that would have moved the needle enough to get into the POs?
If Treliving was tanking, then it worked out well enough.
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02-01-2018, 05:18 PM
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#522
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Thanks Bingo. Appreciate the insight and helps me appreciate these numbers more. No doubt these numbers can’t measure the subjective quality of chances. Against Vegas, Flames didn’t just give up 2 shot attempts, or two high danger scoring chances. They gave Vegas 2 goals. Let’s hope they’re building character. 😉
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Technically I don't think the game winner was a high danger scoring chance as he was off to the side when he let it go.
Giordano got walked and Smith got beat high short side on a pretty good shot but I don't think that would count as high danger!
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02-01-2018, 05:24 PM
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#523
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Franchise Player
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just rewatched it - definitely high danger
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02-01-2018, 05:37 PM
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#524
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
just rewatched it - definitely high danger
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inside home plate?
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02-01-2018, 05:39 PM
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#525
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
inside home plate?
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This probably illustrates a weakness with the fairly arbitrary definition of "high danger scoring chance," but that cannot be helped.
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02-01-2018, 05:39 PM
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#526
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Franchise Player
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yes
if I knew how to post a pic I would. On the nhl.com highlights there is a camera shot from behind him. You can freeze it at 2:27 with the puck in the air and him clearly inside home plate.
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02-01-2018, 05:41 PM
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#527
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
This probably illustrates a weakness with the fairly arbitrary definition of "high danger scoring chance," but that cannot be helped.
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How so? He is free and clear of Giordano, and no more than 10 feet from Smith. He has plenty of time to look at his target and fire a clean shot.
If that isn't high danger then what is?
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02-01-2018, 05:56 PM
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#528
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
How so? He is free and clear of Giordano, and no more than 10 feet from Smith. He has plenty of time to look at his target and fire a clean shot.
If that isn't high danger then what is?
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If he's in the box it's high danger. If he's not then it's not.
Not a perfect system but it's the least subjective way of making sure the measuring stick is even from team to team around the league.
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02-01-2018, 06:00 PM
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#529
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
How so? He is free and clear of Giordano, and no more than 10 feet from Smith. He has plenty of time to look at his target and fire a clean shot.
If that isn't high danger then what is?
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This is me talking just on my own recollection of the game highlights that I last watched two days ago. If it occurred within the so-called "home plate," then so be it. I was merely commenting on how defining shots as "high danger" on the lone criterion of location on the ice is not unproblematic. Such qualifications are necessary for forming baselines, but they will not explain everything.
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02-01-2018, 06:00 PM
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#530
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Franchise Player
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I misunderstood TC's post when I first read it.
Yes, statistically, that is really only way to track it.
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02-01-2018, 06:01 PM
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#531
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
If he's in the box it's high danger. If he's not then it's not.
Not a perfect system but it's the least subjective way of making sure the measuring stick is even from team to team around the league.
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Yes. This is exactly what I meant.
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02-01-2018, 09:28 PM
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#532
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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6 game losing streak now. Flames gotta get back on track if they can, otherwise they have to be purely sellers at the deadline.
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02-01-2018, 09:29 PM
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#533
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Franchise Player
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This dude needs to take action. Now.
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02-01-2018, 09:30 PM
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#534
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
6 game losing streak now. Flames gotta get back on track if they can, otherwise they have to be purely sellers at the deadline.
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They should sell sell sell, doesn't matter recoup as many picks as they can and bring in a whole new coaching staff in the summer.
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02-01-2018, 09:30 PM
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#535
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
6 game losing streak now. Flames gotta get back on track if they can, otherwise they have to be purely sellers at the deadline.
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Six games?
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02-01-2018, 09:40 PM
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#536
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the2bears
Six games?
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Yes. They've lost 6 straight. Their last win was 7 games ago.
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02-01-2018, 09:40 PM
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#537
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Franchise Player
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I think Treliving is a good GM for the most part, but if he's not willing to admit his coaching staff was a horrible mistake and correct it, he needs to go too.
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
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02-01-2018, 09:41 PM
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#538
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Franchise Player
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six games.
tick tock tick tock
still waiting for our GM
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"OOOOOOHHHHHHH those Russians" - Boney M
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02-01-2018, 09:41 PM
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#539
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Lifetime Suspension
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Do something, Gandalf.
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02-01-2018, 09:48 PM
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#540
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by codynw
I think Treliving is a good GM for the most part, but if he's not willing to admit his coaching staff was a horrible mistake and correct it, he needs to go too.
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If the Flames continue to swap out GMs every 3-4 years they will also continue to be a middling team and organization.
We need some stability.
Every time we fire a guy we look back years later and say "hey that guy did some good things".
If you establish that a GM is only going to get a couple of years they are going to constantly make short-term moves. Why would they not? If they can't produce a winner RIGHT NOW they will be canned.
Stability and an allowance to see a vision through over the long term is what most great franchises have in common
And something this franchise hasn't had since Cliff Fletcher.
So no - let's PLEASE not fire the GM
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