[PGT] Golden Knights 4 - Flames 2

[Roof-Daddy]

**** Vegas.

I swear to god I already hate them as much as the Ducks.

[Flash Walken]

If GG was smart he would've put out brouwer or stajan or monahan with Kulak and stone.

That's the obvious combo to put out there when trying to keep emotions under control and hold the lead.

Duh, I'm forgetting Bennett. Should've had him out there in a crucial situation. He was obviously the answer.

[Enoch Root]

There were several things about last night's game that pissed me off:

1) Everyone in the building knew they would find a way to blow it, and yet they still managed to shock and awe everyone with a new twist that no Hollywood screenwriter could have thought up. Over the course of a season, there will be some bad plays and some tough losses. But it is almost nightly, these days. It is getting harder and harder each time to say "hey, it happens - move on", because it seems to happen every game and it is so predictable.

2) Yet again, the loss was largely influenced by something Gulutzan did - or more accurately, didn't do - that directly contributed to the key moment that cost them points.

3) The ongoing frustration with the offense and the PP, and sitting there, knowing - KNOWING - that they aren't going to get the knock out goal, and that the door will remain open for the inevitable.

4) The sheer fragility of the team.

But most of all, what really pissed me off last night, and has me feeling like it isn't worth it to get too tied up in this iteration of the team, is the fact that I simply don't like the way the team plays (on home ice). It is often boring. It is always frustrating. It's too passive, too unemotional, and they play a reactionary, try-not-to-lose style.

But what made it really hit home last night was the fact that Vegas plays EXACTLY the way I want the team I cheer for to play. They out-work the opposition, they support each other, they believe in each other, they forecheck like mad, and they GO TO THE NET.

They remind me a lot of the 2004 Flames.

When other teams play Vegas, the coaches and players will say "we have to match their intensity", "we have to work as hard as they do", etc. Really guys? Shouldn't that be a given?

Vegas plays the way I want my team to play. And Gallant coaches the way I want the coach to coach. But sadly, my team plays a passive, often boring, reactive, try not to lose style that has made this year tough on fans.

Last night was a microcosm of everything that is wrong with this team and this year for me.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

**** Vegas.

I swear to god I already hate them as much as the Ducks.

The number of fans at the game with Vegas sweaters was just ridiculous. Yes if you are from the Nevada area I understand jumping on the bandwagon but if you are not you are basically admitting you are a bandwagon jumper. Hopefully, none of those people exchange their Vegas sweaters for Flames jerseys if the Flames somehow make it farther. If you are from Calgary and had the gall to show up to a Flames game with a Knights Jersey, you can go #### yourself

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If GG was smart he would've put out brouwer or stajan or monahan with Kulak and stone.

That's the obvious combo to put out there when trying to keep emotions under control and hold the lead.

Duh, I'm forgetting Bennett. Should've had him out there in a crucial situation. He was obviously the answer.

That is the best part about the complaints about 3M going back out.

1st line just had a 50 second shift - so they weren't going back out. 4th line hadn't played in a while and nobody wants them out.

So options are 3M who had about a 10 second shift or the third line.

Plus nobody mentions he did change the d-pair - switching Brodie/Hamonic out for Giordano/Hamilton - and they were the ones that got caught there.

Originally Posted by Bingo

He was also "least at fault" for the third goal. He pressed the puck up the ice.

Hamilton stepped up at the line
Backlund and Tkachuk were flat footed and couldn't catch him.
But Giordano was the guy that misplayed the play the worst.

I put a lot of the blame on that goal on Tkachuk. He is right behind Marchessault coming out of the neutral zone, but lets him go, and just doesn't make the effort to put any back pressure on.

Gio got walked but Marchessault doesn't get to walk in 1v1 against Gio if Tkachuk stays with him in the neutral zone, and if he hustles back to the puck he's there to support when Gio attempts the stick check and misses.

[wwkayaker]

Is there a stat tracked to show the coach’s use of timeouts? GG seems to never use one.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Beninho

The number of fans at the game with Vegas sweaters was just ridiculous. Yes if you are from the Nevada area I understand jumping on the bandwagon but if you are not you are basically admitting you are a bandwagon jumper. Hopefully, none of those people exchange their Vegas sweaters for Flames jerseys if the Flames somehow make it farther. If you are from Calgary and had the gall to show up to a Flames game with a Knights Jersey, you can go #### yourself

It's one thing if you're a kid, but the grown men I saw in Knights jerseys were embarrassing.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

**** Vegas.

I swear to god I already hate them as much as the Ducks.

Yep, they are slowly catching up to the Ducks and Oilers as my most hated team.

They are gifted the deepest line up in the league, their jerseys remind me of the Canucks from the 90s, and their first win against the Flames is a fluke heart breaker. So lame.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

Is there a stat tracked to show the coach’s use of timeouts? GG seems to never use one.

Quennville said a couple years ago it evolved into mostly for rest on a late icing now. IIRC that's been changed though. He says the worst one he ever called was an attempt to change momentum.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...614-story.html

The other problem is the interference challenge. Use the timeout, you don't get to challenge any more. Lets say GG used it in Edmonton after the game was tied. Then he wouldn't have been able to challenge the OT goal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Quennville said a couple years ago it evolved into mostly for rest on a late icing now. IIRC that's been changed though. He says the worst one he ever called was an attempt to change momentum.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...614-story.html

The other problem is the interference challenge. Use the timeout, you don't get to challenge any more. Lets say GG used it in Edmonton after the game was tied. Then he wouldn't have been able to challenge the OT goal.

Probably not a high risk move with 105 seconds left though. And if you don't get to OT, it doesn't really matter much.

[stang]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Quennville said a couple years ago it evolved into mostly for rest on a late icing now. IIRC that's been changed though. He says the worst one he ever called was an attempt to change momentum.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...614-story.html

The other problem is the interference challenge. Use the timeout, you don't get to challenge any more. Lets say GG used it in Edmonton after the game was tied. Then he wouldn't have been able to challenge the OT goal.

He cant challenge the OT goal anyways. Its just an automatic go upstairs (IIRC)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Probably not a high risk move with 105 seconds left though. And if you don't get to OT, it doesn't really matter much.

I just think that using 30 second timeouts for a shakeup are way overrated, especially considering that TV timeouts are three times as long.

I can't remember the last timeout I saw used for momentum purposes. It's been years.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I just think that using 30 second timeouts for a shakeup are way overrated, especially considering that TV timeouts are three times as long.

I can't remember the last timeout I saw used for momentum purposes. It's been years.

Agreed. All that chatter is nonsense.
Fragile is fragile.
What's the answer? I dunno. Maybe it's a hard ass coach, though I doubt it, but it sure isn't a 30 second timeout.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I find the amount of discussion tying quality of coaching to timeout utilization is absurd.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I just think that using 30 second timeouts for a shakeup are way overrated, especially considering that TV timeouts are three times as long.

I can't remember the last timeout I saw used for momentum purposes. It's been years.

I can. Last year's playoffs. Flames vs Ducks. I believe the Flames had taken a lead or tied up a game. Randy Carlyle. Ducks won.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I find the amount of discussion tying quality of coaching to timeout utilization is absurd.

Timeout utilization and “what he looks like on the bench”

[DeluxeMoustache]

Nm

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Timeout utilization and “what he looks like on the bench”

Right, people are only talking about the coaches actions for the heck of it. Not tied at all to the results especially in close games.

[direwolf]

I'm sure this has been discussed already in this thread, but I feel like the team's fragility late in games while they're trying to protect a lead is a direct result of the ineptitude of the PP. That's gotta have an effect on the players' mental state. It's like they know they're not gonna score with the man advantage, and as a result the players get nervous, grip their sticks, and start over-thinking everything. Every time they go on the PP, you can see it in their body language and the stupid mistakes they make.

Instead of going on the attack and closing the game out with a solid forecheck and smart defensive play, they're forced to sit back too much, trying to cling for dear life to that 1 goal lead, knowing that the tiniest mistake could end up in the back of their net.

How many times this year has this team jumped out to a comfortable lead and cruised to victory? Not very often. Obviously a lot of that has to do with the atrocious PP not being able to convert and give them that 2 or 3 goal cushion when they need it the most.

[CM ONE]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

It's one thing if you're a kid, but the grown men I saw in Knights jerseys were embarrassing.

It's Calgary remember. These guys all have condos in Vegas. What, a guy can't cheer for the home away from home team around these parts?