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socalwingfan · 01-31-2018, 04:42 PM

I can't believe they are putting Brower back on PP1 - what a ####ing clown show running this team - from Burke on down

Classic_Sniper · 01-31-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

While this is generally true at a 40 thousand foot level, it is all about the difference at the margins. While systems are largely similar, coaches can, and do, have a significant impact on their team.

Anyone who could watch last night's game and not see the difference in the coaching, simply doesn't understand what coaching is.

Please enlighten us than.

I’ve certainly heard the criticisms that Gulutzan doesn’t match lines well enough, well yesterday we faced a coach that doesn’t even bother matching lines. So im very intrigued on your take.

Huntingwhale · 01-31-2018, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by socalwingfan

I can't believe they are putting Brower back on PP1 - what a ####ing clown show running this team - from Burke on down

Unless Burke gave the order to put T-Bro on the PP again, I fail to see how he is at fault.

GioforPM · 01-31-2018, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

While this is generally true at a 40 thousand foot level, it is all about the difference at the margins. While systems are largely similar, coaches can, and do, have a significant impact on their team.

Anyone who could watch last night's game and not see the difference in the coaching, simply doesn't understand what coaching is.

I thought the Flames matched effort with the Knights pretty much all game. The only difference was a real flukey gaffe and a shot that hit the corner. The Flames had several chances that could have easily have gone in just like Marchessault's. Several chances came from just as good a spot. The fact they were wide or in the crest isn't on GG.

Manhattanboy · 01-31-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Scoring is an issue. Let's sit the guy with the most goals on the team.

Ya agree - wondering what is wrong with him. He seems to have no energy at all. Wonder if there was something more to the game he missed recently (other than what was reported).

Likely not the right thread to discuss.

Beninho · 01-31-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Ya agree - wondering what is wrong with him. He seems to have no energy at all. Wonder if there was something more to the game he missed recently (other than what was reported).

Likely not the right thread to discuss.

Well, he has a history of back issues, could be something that's become a re-occurring problem. Back problems are fickle, I've had upper back issues for years. I can go months with feeling great and all of sudden I'll be working out or playing soccer and my back starts acting up again. It may be something he has to deal with his entire career. This is just speculation though given his history, could be a different injury or he just isn't playing well.

Enoch Root · 01-31-2018, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Please enlighten us than.

I’ve certainly heard the criticisms that Gulutzan doesn’t match lines well enough, well yesterday we faced a coach that doesn’t even bother matching lines. So im very intrigued on your take.

We're at about post 2780 in a thread talking about nothing but coaching. If you haven't picked up some of the issues yet, it's because you don't want to.

Edit: okay, 2767

Enoch Root · 01-31-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I thought the Flames matched effort with the Knights pretty much all game. The only difference was a real flukey gaffe and a shot that hit the corner. The Flames had several chances that could have easily have gone in just like Marchessault's. Several chances came from just as good a spot. The fact they were wide or in the crest isn't on GG.

Yes, I agree that the effort was there last night. One thing that was immediately apparent - no, glaring - was the way the Knights went to the net. Every time they touched the puck in the offensive zone. They create so many chances simply by screening the goalie and getting the puck on net. Something the Flames steadfastly refuse to do.

Another obvious difference was the way Vegas immediately went north as soon as they got possession of the puck. None of this turning back and having the defensemen pass it back and forth while the forwards stop at center and wait for a long pass to tip into the zone and then not bother chasing.

Flashpoint · 01-31-2018, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shazam

Gulutzan had a winger take draws.

In OT.

On the PK.

That winger was Troy Brouwer.

He dumb.

Any coach who puts his third line winger out in OT against the best faceoff man in the league... and then watches him lose... and does it again...

...and then a third time...

Well, that's probably the same coach who puts a guy on pace for 5 goals out on the #1 PP unit.

Pipty · 01-31-2018, 05:10 PM

Gg

GioforPM · 01-31-2018, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, I agree that the effort was there last night. One thing that was immediately apparent - no, glaring - was the way the Knights went to the net. Every time they touched the puck in the offensive zone. They create so many chances simply by screening the goalie and getting the puck on net. Something the Flames steadfastly refuse to do.

Another obvious difference was the way Vegas immediately went north as soon as they got possession of the puck. None of this turning back and having the defensemen pass it back and forth while the forwards stop at center and wait for a long pass to tip into the zone and then not bother chasing.

I agree, they have a very forward pressing system. They block a lot and try to stretch quickly. I thought that Calgary handled it pretty well, by not pressing hard with the D. Vegas kind of forces a low scoring game because you have to be ready for their counterattack.

Calgary got the puck on net just as much as Vegas though. They also vastly outhit them (though it might be a homer stat).

Brick · 01-31-2018, 05:26 PM

This team doesn't score enough goals, period.

Who's fault is that?

Would it be the coach's system or the GM's personnel?

Classic_Sniper · 01-31-2018, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 4X4

How about this... Do you think GG will ever get another head coaching gig in the NHL after he's fired this off season? I don't. It's obviously not all his fault that the team is under performing, but his ability to fix it is obviously non existent.

He's clearly not a next level coach. Real nice that he's achieved mediocrity, but he has no idea what kind of adjustments to make inside and outside of games, no idea when or how to push players' buttons, and simply is not doing the job he was hired to do - which was to take the Flames to the next level. Bargain coach wasn't much of a bargain after all. Same old Flames.

He probably would. It’s not easy to make the playoffs in this league and he did it despite that horrific start. 14 other coaches didn’t. If anyone remembers, this team went 40-23-3 after a 5-10-1 start. That’s a pretty damn next level record to me once the team adjusted to the new system.

It takes 2 things to be a next level team and I personally don’t think we have the right personnel in the bottom 6 to be that team. We’ve lost so many close games this season because we just can’t find extra scoring outside of the top 6. Elite teams in this league have a balanced scoring attack and we don’t have that. 80% of our goals among forwards are coming from the top 2 lines, that’s very top heavy.

EldrickOnIce · 01-31-2018, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

He probably would. It’s not easy to make the playoffs in this league and he did it despite that horrific start. 14 other coaches didn’t. If anyone remembers, this team went 40-23-3 after a 5-10-1 start. That’s a pretty damn next level record to me once the team adjusted to the new system.

It takes 2 things to be a next level team and I personally don’t think we have the right personnel in the bottom 6 to be that team. We’ve lost so many close games this season because we just can’t find extra scoring outside of the top 6. Elite teams in this league have a balanced scoring attack and we don’t have that. 80% of our goals among forwards are coming from the top 2 lines, that’s very top heavy.

Special teams could have won them many of those close games. Even 2 or 3 wins instead of losses makes a huge difference

Classic_Sniper · 01-31-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is true that a new coach might not help. However, that is not a valid reason to NOT make a change if the current coach isn't getting it done.

Why would a sane GM just make a change unless he thought the next guy who takes over will be a definitive upgrade. You people act like we’re some bottom feeding team who’s missed the playoffs for the last 5 years.

Classic_Sniper · 01-31-2018, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think the biggest box he checked was his salary requirements. They didn't even call Bruce Boudreau...way to be thorough.

Would Bruce Boudreau even be a significant upgrade? His Minnesota Wild team wildly underachieved last season and was bounced out of the playoffs as fast as we were and this season his team is just 1 point ahead of us. That Wild team is also at their peak unlike our team which is still young and learning how to be consistent.

Shazam · 01-31-2018, 05:49 PM

The Wild have had eleventy-billion injured players this year.

Gaskal · 01-31-2018, 05:51 PM

Yeah, off the top of my head Parise has only just recently started his season and Neidereiter appears to be made of glass. That's two of your best scoring forwards.

Enoch Root · 01-31-2018, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Why would a sane GM just make a change unless he thought the next guy who takes over will be a definitive upgrade. You people act like we’re some bottom feeding team who’s missed the playoffs for the last 5 years.

FFS, that is not what I said. Obviously you only make the change with someone that you think will be better.

Your argument was essentially that making a change is a bad idea because the new guy might not be any better.

And I am saying that's a terrible argument. If the current guy isn't getting the job done, you have to make a change. Obviously part of that entails finding a suitable replacement, but I thought that was self-evident.

Classic_Sniper · 01-31-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We're at about post 2780 in a thread talking about nothing but coaching. If you haven't picked up some of the issues yet, it's because you don't want to.

Edit: okay, 2767

Well you said you were specifically talking about last night’s game so I was wondering why you thought the coaching was so “different.”