01-28-2018, 08:29 PM
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I also didn't find Jagr too slow - definitely not at the start of his shifts and before he got injured. The last few games it was easy to see he was having trouble getting around, but for the first half of the games he played here, I was surprised by how fast (relative) he was.
Hopefully this is just for a conditioning stint and he returns later this season. It isn't like Hathaway is providing too much offence on that third line. I thought they were better along the boards with Jagr over Hathaway there, though I like Hathaway's jam at attacking the net and causing a bit of mayhem.
Either way, glad the Flames signed him even if this is the last of Jagr here. At the very least, he passed along some of his wisdom.
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01-28-2018, 08:50 PM
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#82
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All I can get
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Originally Posted by OzSome
Flames also sold a tons of Jagr merchandise as well.
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Isn't over-all NHL merchandise revenue still shared league-wide? The Flames' FanAttic outlets of course garner a bigger cut as a retailer (as do other team stores), but how many folks purchased their Jagr jerseys there?
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01-28-2018, 10:45 PM
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#83
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Cutting ties just doesn't make sense to me from the Flames pespective. He's got our 9th best Corsi% (7th among forwards), 8th best P/60. He's statistically a top-9 forward in our organization, which makes him easily top-12. For the Flames to say "nah, you weren't helping us" just makes no sense.
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01-28-2018, 11:18 PM
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#84
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Scoring Winger
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I wish someone would take the word Corsi.... put it on a rocket and launch it into space.
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01-29-2018, 05:39 AM
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#85
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
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My favorite memory of him was in one of the first games, he's back checking, he's gassed and behind and he uses his stick to push a line mate (might have been johnny) from behind to catch up to the breaking opposition player.
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01-29-2018, 06:15 AM
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#86
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by ColoradoFlamesFan
My favorite memory of him was in one of the first games, he's back checking, he's gassed and behind and he uses his stick to push a line mate (might have been johnny) from behind to catch up to the breaking opposition player.
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yep it was 13.
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01-29-2018, 07:28 AM
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#87
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SebC
Cutting ties just doesn't make sense to me from the Flames pespective. He's got our 9th best Corsi% (7th among forwards), 8th best P/60. He's statistically a top-9 forward in our organization, which makes him easily top-12. For the Flames to say "nah, you weren't helping us" just makes no sense.
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Jagr is 2nd all-time in NHL scoring. I think he has higher expectations for himself than pretty good Corsi.
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01-29-2018, 08:06 AM
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#88
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
I also didn't find Jagr too slow - definitely not at the start of his shifts and before he got injured. The last few games it was easy to see he was having trouble getting around, but for the first half of the games he played here, I was surprised by how fast (relative) he was.
Hopefully this is just for a conditioning stint and he returns later this season. It isn't like Hathaway is providing too much offence on that third line. I thought they were better along the boards with Jagr over Hathaway there, though I like Hathaway's jam at attacking the net and causing a bit of mayhem.
Either way, glad the Flames signed him even if this is the last of Jagr here. At the very least, he passed along some of his wisdom.
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It depends on if you watched him on TV or live. I found live it was very obvious that he was the slowest player by far on the ice. If the Flames had possession in the opponents end he was noticeably good but that was it as he was in no-man's land in the neutral zone. It couldn't have been a good situation for Gulutzan as I'm sure he didn't want to be the guy to bench one of the greats but at the same time knew he was very, very limited in what he could do on the ice. He seemed to have a positive impact off the ice so when you consider the contract not a disaster or anything. Just one of those things where both parties tried and it just didn't work for anyone.
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01-29-2018, 08:57 AM
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#89
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Puting Jagr on waivers is the right thing to do by the Flames. From what the buzz is this will allow him to clear and be able to play in Europe.
Also the Flames will be able to free up a contract roster spot.
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01-29-2018, 09:27 AM
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#90
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by browna
“Oops, I mean yes...at least in this case I didn’t almost give up Monahan and then still not get the player returning from Europe”
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Notwithstanding Bill Daly's comments, Feaster's reading of the section is consistent with legal principles.
I think that on appeal the Flames would have won the dispute.
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01-29-2018, 10:00 AM
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#91
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by AC
Are there issues if Jagr returns to the NHL later in the season?
I imagine he'd have to clear waivers again.
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Just bumping your post AC as I'd like to know also.
Anyone know if he needs to clear waivers again, should he return to the NHL later in the season?
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01-29-2018, 10:02 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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01-29-2018, 10:03 AM
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#93
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smiggy77
Just bumping your post AC as I'd like to know also.
Anyone know if he needs to clear waivers again, should he return to the NHL later in the season?
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My understanding is no. It would be just like calling up someone from Stockton.
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01-29-2018, 10:07 AM
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#94
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First Line Centre
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so technically he could come back for playoffs?
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01-29-2018, 10:07 AM
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#95
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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And there it is.
Regardless of whether he comes back later in the year, it's all but certain that his last NHL game will have been played in a Flames uniform.
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01-29-2018, 10:07 AM
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Probably as good a way for both the team and Jagr to save face as its going to get. He isn't "cut" or bought out, the Flames gave him a chance to find work elsewhere in the NHL, he now gets to end his career at home and the Flames don't have him to worry about so far as a contract goes.
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01-29-2018, 10:08 AM
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#97
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: I'm right behind you
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
My understanding is no. It would be just like calling up someone from Stockton.
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April 10 - J. Jagr is recalled from Kladno
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01-29-2018, 10:11 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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just an additional note: Flames ability to recall him also depends on whether they agree to pay his full salary while he plays in Europe.
If they are only partially paying him, they won't be able to recall him.
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01-29-2018, 10:13 AM
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#99
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smiggy77
Just bumping your post AC as I'd like to know also.
Anyone know if he needs to clear waivers again, should he return to the NHL later in the season?
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No, he would not require waivers to be recalled if he is on loan to Kladno...
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13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs) only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim. This section shall not apply to a Player on the Reserve List or Restricted Free Agent List of an NHL Club with whom the Player is signing an NHL SPC or is party to an existing SPC with such NHL Club.
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01-29-2018, 10:24 AM
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#100
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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The Czech league regular season is done Feb 24. Looking at last year, playoffs wrapped up March 24 but the playoffs started Feb 16. So if Kladno does go all the way, and they are in the top 3 of the league currently, it would be early April, at the very latest, that Jagr would be done.
Concieveably he could be back before the playoffs here, or really, whenever he wants, depending on what him and the Flames want to do.
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