2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[killer_carlson]

I recall Friedman saying that as well.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by jayswin

History shows us that 'a good player availble' = 'Brad Treliving right in the mix'. So likely not pundits connecting imaginary dots, so much as Brad being in there like a dirty shirt in case there's a good deal for a star player to be had and then pulling out when the acquisition cost is determined to be too high.

It's really how every GM should operate. It blows me away when you see some of those behind the scenes videos and some of these GM's just have no clue what's going on in the NHL trade market until they need to make a trade.

Yeah I think GMBT has pretty good feeling for the league and good relationships. I remember reading something after the Dougie trade of a couple anonymous GMs saying they didnt even know Dougie was available

[Roof-Daddy]

It's the Dougie trade that keeps me hoping deep down that Mark Stone ends up a Flame in the near future. Great young player that nobody thinks would be available in a million years, and like Dougie at the time, fills a huge need for this organization as a right shot right wing with the ability to play strong two way hockey, and young enough to be a part of the core for a long, long time.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's the Dougie trade that keeps me hoping deep down that Mark Stone ends up a Flame in the near future. Great young player that nobody thinks would be available in a million years, and like Dougie at the time, fills a huge need for this organization as a right shot right wing with the ability to play strong two way hockey, and young enough to be a part of the core for a long, long time.

Dougie was a RFA thst wanted out of Boston and they had cap issues at the time with rumors of a big offer sheet.

Stone isn’t an RFA until 2019 so I don’t see that happening any time soon.

I can see the Flames going after a guy like Reinhart. He is young, right shot, cost controlled and was once full of potential. I was reading the the RoR trade speculation thread on HF that Buffalo wants a RHD thst is under 30, or near NHL ready. Could a deal around Fox or Andersson get the Flames Reinhart?


Would Flames fans trade Jankowski, Fox, and cap dump for RoR? (Assuming Backlund signs for 4.75M)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would Flames fans trade Jankowski, Fox, and cap dump for RoR? (Assuming Backlund signs for 4.75M)

If Backlund signs for that money, you keep Jankowski and Fox and say no thanks for ROR.

[Harry Lime]

Jankowski's value only goes up from here.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If Backlund signs for that money, you keep Jankowski and Fox and say no thanks for ROR.

That makes the most sense to me as well.

If the Flames truly think their window is the next couple of seasons adding an elite F/O guy in RoR that is 26 would be better than the younger developing Janko.

Monahan
O’Rielly
Backlund

Would be some of the best centre depth in the league. The deal could absolutely come back to bite the Flames if Janko and Fox pan out

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dougie was a RFA thst wanted out of Boston and they had cap issues at the time with rumors of a big offer sheet.

Stone isn’t an RFA until 2019 so I don’t see that happening any time soon.

I can see the Flames going after a guy like Reinhart. He is young, right shot, cost controlled and was once full of potential. I was reading the the RoR trade speculation thread on HF that Buffalo wants a RHD thst is under 30, or near NHL ready. Could a deal around Fox or Andersson get the Flames Reinhart?


Would Flames fans trade Jankowski, Fox, and cap dump for RoR? (Assuming Backlund signs for 4.75M)

Stone is an RFA this summer, not 2019. And like Dougie he is in line for a massive pay raise.

[sureLoss]

ROR is also a potential poison pill. Because of his contract is mostly signing bonuses, there is little cap savings with a buyout.

If he declines near the end of the contract he is going to cripple a team's cap space to the point any contending team will need to give up assets to remove him from the roster.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

ROR is also a potential poison pill. Because of his contract is mostly signing bonuses, there is little cap savings with a buyout.

If he declines in the near the end of the contract he is going to cripple a team's cap space to the point any contending team will need to give up assets to remove him from the roster.

The only way I'd do ROR is with salary retained. To do that costs significant young talent, given Buffalo's present conditions.

Jankowski is getting quite good at faceoffs (I really wish Backlund could do better on them - it's really the weakest part of his game). So if Jankowski could get to a 20 goal, 40 point level, Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski is pretty good centre depth.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

ROR is also a potential poison pill. Because of his contract is mostly signing bonuses, there is little cap savings with a buyout.

If he declines in the near the end of the contract he is going to cripple a team's cap space to the point any contending team will need to give up assets to remove him from the roster.

Yeah that’s true $5M in bonuses every year for the remainder of the deal. He will be 31-32 in last year of the deal though so not that old. Absolutely there are risks in taking him on.

With their deep blueline, and all-Star goaltending, adding RoR would give the Flames centre depth that could really make them a tough out in the playoffs.

Likely this isn’t the right move long term if Jankowski is going to be a 50pt centrism himself but he really seems to have hit a wall recently.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Likely this isn’t the right move long term if Jankowski is going to be a 50pt centrism himself but he really seems to have hit a wall recently.

The wall Jankowski has hit is Sam Bennett.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yeah that’s true $5M in bonuses every year for the remainder of the deal. He will be 31-32 in last year of the deal though so not that old. Absolutely there are risks in taking him on.

With their deep blueline, and all-Star goaltending, adding RoR would give the Flames centre depth that could really make them a tough out in the playoffs.

Likely this isn’t the right move long term if Jankowski is going to be a 50pt centrism himself but he really seems to have hit a wall recently.

He's a rookie. I don't know if you can judge him off of half a season. Look at ROR's first two seasons. 26 points in each. Then he got to 55 and never looked back. Jankowski is at 15 in half a season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jayswin

The wall Jankowski has hit is Sam Bennett.

Bennett is the reason he is not battling as hard? It is not like he is making great plays that die on Sam’s stick. That whole line has lost their confidence and it shows. I hoped the bye week was going to help Janko but he looked pretty bad in all 4 games between breaks. It is the rookie wall as he was a college/AHL player used to playing just on the weekends so it is understandable.

I am not advocating trading Jankowski but questioning if an upgrade is avasiable for either the 2nd or 3rd line C spot should the Flames consider making a move while they can keep this top blueline together and are getting all-star level goaltending.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He's a rookie. I don't know if you can judge him off of half a season. Look at ROR's first two seasons. 26 points in each. Then he got to 55 and never looked back. Jankowski is at 15 in half a season.

I don’t disagree at all. I like Janko and his potential a lot.

Just saw the RoR trade thread on HF and looked at what they wanted. Flames could put a package together that seems to meet the supposed need.

If the Flames want to push for the cup asap upgrading to RoR at centre gets them closer.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I don't think we can get ROR unless we are shipping Brouwer the other way. We need space for future signings, like Tkachuk and Ferland for starters.

[puckedoff]

Flames would have to be insane to consider trading Brouwer now, he is just starting to heat up.

[Ullr]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Flames would have to be insane to consider trading Brouwer now, he is just starting to heat up.

I mean.. that's why they would be considering trading him.

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[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Flames would have to be insane to consider trading Brouwer now, he is just starting to heat up.

But he would look so good beside Connor! I mean, is he the missing link to that team?

[Braden]

How many people never realized Brodie had a 8 team no trade list kick in this year? Maybe that will limit the trade Brodie talks seeings how it would be pretty easy for him to include Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo, Arizona.