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EldrickOnIce · 01-28-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

Possible, which is a distinct anomaly. I'm not sure if there's been a season in the past, say, three decades that a coach wasn't relieved of their duties during it?

Point still stands that teams have done it before, and yielded positive results. Penguins is a obvious example. Even Blackhawks technically.

Blackhawks? Not sure what you are counting? Teams that fired a coach and sometime later won a cup?

Joborule · 01-28-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Blackhawks? Not sure what you are counting? Teams that fired a coach and sometime later won a cup?

Not sure what your point is?

Joel Quenneville, in his first year with the blackhawks, got them not just to the playoffs for the first time since 2002, but the conference finals. You can't say the switch from Denis Savard, whom had a fairly mediocre record, wasn't a maneuver that yielded terrific results. The following seasons resulted in Stanley Cup. So it was a positive change that occurred early (very) in the season.

Duffalufagus · 01-28-2018, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

Possible, which is a distinct anomaly. I'm not sure if there's been a season in the past, say, three decades that a coach wasn't relieved of their duties during it?

Point still stands that teams have done it before, and yielded positive results. Penguins is a obvious example. Even Blackhawks technically.

It happens for sure. But not usually as a result of a team not meeting expectations. If the coach loses the room. Or the gm and coach have a toxic relationship, then yeah.

If there were rumblings of that type of thing happening I would be singing a different tune. But losing? Nah. That is off season replacement stuff.

GioforPM · 01-29-2018, 10:25 AM

https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/...-8-that-didnt/

FWIW

Enoch Root · 01-29-2018, 05:54 PM

13. Didn't Work: 1970-71 Montreal Canadiens

They won the cup. But people didn't like him. Okay then, didn't work.

GioforPM · 01-30-2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

13. Didn't Work: 1970-71 Montreal Canadiens

They won the cup. But people didn't like him. Okay then, didn't work.

Didn't work for poor old Al, I guess

Joborule · 01-30-2018, 09:44 PM

A 7 game winning streak, followed up with a 5 game losing streak.

This season is gonna define the future of GG's career. Either he'll continue to be a head coach, or be nothing more than an NHL assistant coach from here on out.

Otto-matic · 01-30-2018, 09:51 PM

FFS his presser is just garbage.

I_H8_Crawford · 01-30-2018, 09:53 PM

Fire the bum. He's not HC material. His "50/50" hockey leads to medicore .500 records... who could see that coming?

GG is a loser and is infecting this team.

If he's not fired st the end of the season, Treliving can go too

4X4 · 01-30-2018, 09:56 PM

Gulutzan Hockey - Did it work? No? Try the exact same thing, that'll fool 'em!

Joborule · 01-30-2018, 09:59 PM

You consider the team position in the standings, and wonder why there's so much doubt and heistance on the team's potential and ability to make the playoffs, and then you see what has occured over the past 5 games, especially the last two games, and see why so many people have such doubt this coaching staff.

This team lacks resiliency, composure, and killer instinct. Mentally, this team is fragile, and that comes from the coaching staff.

The next game against the Lightning is very important. It could ethier restore confidence in this group, be the tailspin that marks the beginning of the end to the season. February is a very tough month.

GullFoss · 01-30-2018, 10:03 PM

You know at work when you're on a team with a crazy smart lead who is super likeable, but he's a little soft. You slack off more than you should. You know you shouldn't and its not in anyone's best interest. But you can't help it. He just doesn't have that presence of being the boss and while you don't like upsetting him, there's no real consequences of not doing things exactly how they're suppose to be done. So you take advantage of the situation.

That super smart lead is GG - its painfully obvious. Guys like Keenan, Hartley, Sutter, Bowman, Caryle, Babcock - you don't #### with guys like that. Because they will win the battles and they will beat you in submission or kick you off the island. With GG, its pretty obvious that as a player he's a guy you can #### with.

Its Machiavelli's Prince - better to be feared that loved. Human nature doesn't change.

GranteedEV · 01-30-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Fire the bum. He's not HC material. His "50/50" hockey leads to medicore .500 records... who could see that coming?

No kidding. Even our goal differential of zero just screams "Gulutzan". Play not to get blown out, play for ties, play for one goal wins.

I'm still dumbfounded as to why we insist on playing TJ Brodie on the left. It's been two seasons now and this LHD Brodie experiment has been a collossal fail, but we continue to go back to it like clockwork.

Pipty · 01-30-2018, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No kidding. Even our goal differential of zero just screams "Gulutzan". Play not to get blown out, play for ties, play for one goal wins.

I'm still dumbfounded as to why we insist on playing TJ Brodie on the left. It's been two seasons now and this LHD Brodie experiment has been a collossal fail, but we continue to go back to it like clockwork.

The scary part is if we trade Brodie and then his next coach plays him on the right and boom he becomes the next Savard and a few games later GG is fired....

Stay Golden · 01-30-2018, 10:31 PM

Hey Treliving your guy another coaching blunder didn't call an obvious time out to settle the team down after Froliks gaff.
Result 2 goals in 50 seconds drop from 2nd to 5th just like that.

bigrangy · 01-30-2018, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

You know at work when you're on a team with a crazy smart lead who is super likeable, but he's a little soft. You slack off more than you should. You know you shouldn't and its not in anyone's best interest. But you can't help it. He just doesn't have that presence of being the boss and while you don't like upsetting him, there's no real consequences of not doing things exactly how they're suppose to be done. So you take advantage of the situation.

That super smart lead is GG - its painfully obvious. Guys like Keenan, Hartley, Sutter, Bowman, Caryle, Babcock - you don't #### with guys like that. Because they will win the battles and they will beat you in submission or kick you off the island. With GG, its pretty obvious that as a player he's a guy you can #### with.

Its Machiavelli's Prince - better to be feared that loved. Human nature doesn't change.

Exactly this. GG's system works. But nobody on this team is playing line they're scared for their ice time or PP time. The team needs an ####### coach to get these players motivated.

Corral · 01-30-2018, 10:41 PM

I can see the top half of this roster completely tuning out the @$# kicking coach that many of you so badly want here. Why would they listen to that garbage? The last guy we had like that (Hartley) was shown the door and called out as the worst coach ever. Those days are gone.

browna · 01-30-2018, 10:45 PM

Timeout or not, why he put the line that was in shock (watch Tkachuk after the goal) right back on is inconceivable.
Add Hamilton was his heads in the clouds and thinking it is a good decision to pinch up in the neutral zone and leave space in the middle of the ice, and it's over just like that.

Flames.should have 9 to 10 points since the 5 day break. Instead they have 4, and have given division opponents 4 extra points in those 3 division games. No killer instinct, and thst comes from the coach and I've been saying that from before Christmas when they gifted the Sharks two wins.

NewFan · 01-30-2018, 10:49 PM

One thing about GG is, he keeps the lines all situations and never try change. i think it is easier for other teams to figure how to depend against us. Sometimes he should change and play a different line combinations.

Travis Munroe · 01-30-2018, 10:59 PM

The only fault I have of Treliving right now is not making a move on Cameron and although I don't want GG as the coach, I can understand waiting until the off season to hire someone else (although bringing a interm in doesn't hurt).

We can point fingers now at the Hamonic trade because we lost our first but if we go back to the Hamonic deal thread, the majority of CP was over the moon about it. The pick should be a 20th or higher and we should have a top 3 D in the league that allows for a heavy offensive focus. Instead we have a top 3 D on paper playing well under their ability, a offense that can't score and simply plays some puck control game with an eventual low scoring chance shot and a goaltender who has most likely saved GGs job at this point.

The exciting flames are the ones scoring on the rush and it is also how many of our goals go in yet out breakout is designed to get it into the zone and set up. Loosen the rope and get the D jumping up. Tonight was a good game but still some very frustrating systems. Countless times the D have the opportunity to keep skating instead of forcing it onto a covered fwd yet it seems to be the must do play... I would love to hear Burkes honest thoughts on the coaching right now at all levels.