New Allegations against Kent Hehr

[YYC in LAX]

That creep can roll man

[getbak]

What the #### is wrong with people?

Woman faces death threats after alleging sexual harassment by Kent Hehr: http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...8-f9c4ff773c3d

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Apparently the woman who made the latest accusations has demanded the media stop contacting her about it and has said she won’t be commenting on it further.

What a joke.

Originally Posted by Joborule

If his allegations were as frequent as some are claiming they were at parliament, how come they didn't make a case against him earlier? If it was so well known, and it bothered them so much, why not act then as a group? They could've yielded the same result as today by doing so. Considering his position, it's not like if they did this before the whole #metoo movement, people would've responded "so what? Deal with it."

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...8-f9c4ff773c3d


Kristin Raworth was afraid to go home Saturday night.

Now she wishes she had never said a word.

That has since turned to death threats on social media and email, threatening voicemails left on her work line, and 3 a.m. calls to people close to her, saying they’re going to track her down.

The final straw was Saturday, when a note was shoved under her door at home.

“Shut the f–k up,” it said, “or we’re going to come after you.”

A public servant with the Alberta government, Raworth is now under the watch of legislative security.

She has been told not to be alone.

At first, Raworth said, she tried to brush it off. She has since gone to police.

She detailed threats that range from wishes she will be injured to those who hope she is raped or killed. Others call her a “whore.”

“I can’t go home tonight, because I’m worried about what will happen to me,” Raworth said Saturday.

“I wish I hadn’t said anything. If this is the price, it’s just not worth it to me. Not now.”

[transplant99]

Is this not a perfect example of why going public instead of going to authorities is a really really bad idea?

Again, Hehr may or may not have committed assault against her, but he has lost his job and will never get a chance for that to be proven one way or another. This young lady gets her life turned upside down without getting a chance to help prove the allegations in the right way and with proper justice being doled out.

Why? Because it has become the norm to circumvent the court of law and the due process it provides, in favor of the court of social justice, twitterverse and popular opinion.

There was never any doubt this kind of mentality was, and will continue, to lay waste to all sorts of people along the way, both innocent and guilty.

Witch hunts gone bad. Who could see that coming?

[Wormius]

I know there is more to social media than Twitter, but the vast majority of comments have been very encouraging of her on her Twitter feed, and the exact opposite on Hehr’s feed - mostly calling for his resignation.

The rare ones seem to be from Twitter accounts that almost exclusively post or retweet very MRA-centric stuff.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Is this not a perfect example of why going public instead of going to authorities is a really really bad idea?

Again, Hehr may or may not have committed assault against her, but he has lost his job and will never get a chance for that to be proven one way or another. This young lady gets her life turned upside down without getting a chance to help prove the allegations in the right way and with proper justice being doled out.

Why? Because it has become the norm to circumvent the court of law and the due process it provides, in favor of the court of social justice, twitterverse and popular opinion.

There was never any doubt this kind of mentality was, and will continue, to lay waste to all sorts of people along the way, both innocent and guilty.

Witch hunts gone bad. Who could see that coming?

Are you suggesting that women who go through police channels recieve less harassment from the public than women who just go public with the info?

And what would you go to the police with in the Kent Hehr case? I don't think being called "yummy" would ever be prosecuted yet it is something that is not acceptable for our MPs to do.

There is a big gap between it's acceptable for an elected official an criminal.

[PepsiFree]

Yeah, pretty sure you can’t circumvent something that doesn’t apply.

Or maybe I’m wrong, and the courts are just clogged with people calling others “yummy.” Punishable by death I’m sure.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Is this not a perfect example of why going public instead of going to authorities is a really really bad idea?

Again, Hehr may or may not have committed assault against her, but he has lost his job and will never get a chance for that to be proven one way or another. This young lady gets her life turned upside down without getting a chance to help prove the allegations in the right way and with proper justice being doled out.

Why? Because it has become the norm to circumvent the court of law and the due process it provides, in favor of the court of social justice, twitterverse and popular opinion.

There was never any doubt this kind of mentality was, and will continue, to lay waste to all sorts of people along the way, both innocent and guilty.

Witch hunts gone bad. Who could see that coming?

How could she have gone to the authorities? The accusations are not actions that would be considered illegal. So are we now expecting people to put up with anything in the work place as long as it is not criminal in nature?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GGG

Are you suggesting that women who go through police channels recieve less harassment from the public than women who just go public with the info?

And what would you go to the police with in the Kent Hehr case? I don't think being called "yummy" would ever be prosecuted yet it is something that is not acceptable for our MPs to do.

There is a big gap between it's acceptable for an elected official an criminal.

Yes.

I would imagine there are dozens of on going investigations for a variety of crimes/transgressions happening right now, and you nor I have any idea about who they are against or who has made the accusations. That much is obvious.

In the Hehr case, there are channels within the legislature (and within the parties themselves if applicable) that if chosen, would never see the light of day on public record. Now I understand that the Liberal party of Alberta may have dropped the ball here, and she felt this may be the only way to get attention shining on her allegations, but has it really been the proper way to do it? Does Hehr get to defend himself? Does she get to testify to a proper adjudicator? No.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

How could she have gone to the authorities? The accusations are not actions that would be considered illegal. So are we now expecting people to put up with anything in the work place as long as it is not criminal in nature?

Huh? Who said ANYTHING about "putting up with it"?

Do you enjoy making stuff up?

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Huh? Who said ANYTHING about "putting up with it"?

Do you enjoy making stuff up?

So she cant go to the police with the accusations, because they are not criminal. It is also obvious that internal government watchdogs didn't care, because it is obvious that pretty much everyone knew about him. So other than going public, what exactly do you propose she should have done. I think the point here is that women have been trying to go internal for decades, and no one does a thing to help them, especially with high profile superiors.


Look, this is actually pretty simple. Don't be a complete duche bag at work and people will probably for the most part not have a problem with you.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

So she cant go to the police with the accusations, because they are not criminal. It is also obvious that internal government watchdogs didn't care, because it is obvious that pretty much everyone knew about him. So other than going public, what exactly do you propose she should have done. I think the point here is that women have been trying to go internal for decades, and no one does a thing to help them, especially with high profile superiors.

One question for you..

What if he didn't do what she alleges?

The end of his career is OK? No way to defend himself is the new norm( in what is supposed to be a society where we protect all) is of no consequence?

There are societies in this world that have this kind of "justice" right now, and I don't think anyone in Canada would think it's OK to be associated in this way with any of them.

[troutman]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ions-1.4506957

Another woman has stepped forward with an allegation that Calgary MP Kent Hehr behaved inappropriately, and other women have spoken out to say they've been warned of his behaviour, after the MP temporarily resigned from his position in cabinet pending an investigation earlier this week.

An employee at a Liberal MP's constituency office said she was "groped" by Hehr at a caucus party in 2016. CBC News has granted her anonymity because of threats the other woman who has come forward has received. She told CBC News that she has reported the incident to her employer who will be passing on the allegation to the Liberal party whip.

Two other people involved in different levels of Canadian politics confirmed to CBC News that they had been warned of Hehr's behaviour, and say they know of women who have been the subject of unwanted sexual comments or physical contact from the Calgary MP.

[4X4]

Death threats? His people or supporters are so upset that they're sending out death threats? As if his career wan't already in jeopardy, this will certainly ensure he's never re-elected. Smooth move.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Death threats? His people or supporters are so upset that they're sending out death threats? As if his career wan't already in jeopardy, this will certainly ensure he's never re-elected. Smooth move.

Yeah I find it odd as well. Instead of distancing themselves from what appears to be a pattern of inappropriate behaviour at the least and sexual assault at the worst, they are doubling down on him.

The guy is finished as a politician even if he didn't do anything, there is no doubt about that, so some are tieing themselves to the anchor of the sinking ship?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Death threats? His people or supporters are so upset that they're sending out death threats? As if his career wan't already in jeopardy, this will certainly ensure he's never re-elected. Smooth move.

Based on a cursory search of Twitter, it's mostly anti-feminist MRA types who are going after the woman (and/or defending Hehr by saying what he is accused of doing "isn't even that bad" or that it should take more than unproven allegations to end his political career). A lot of the same accounts are tweeting similar things about former Ontario Conservative leader Patrick Brown. This isn't a partisan political issue.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by transplant99

One question for you..

What if he didn't do what she alleges?

The end of his career is OK? No way to defend himself is the new norm( in what is supposed to be a society where we protect all) is of no consequence?

There are societies in this world that have this kind of "justice" right now, and I don't think anyone in Canada would think it's OK to be associated in this way with any of them.

If he didn't do what he said he would have defended himself. Patrick brown is a bit different since he's claiming innocence.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

If he didn't do what he said he would have defended himself. Patrick brown is a bit different since he's claiming innocence.

He has said he is fighting this whole thing.

Mid-afternoon Thursday and Kent releases a statement. If you were looking for some kind of act of contrition you better find a church with a confessional box open. The mea culpa ain’t here.

Kent encourages women who “have felt uncomfortable” or “experienced harassment” to come forward.

“It is never okay,” he adds.

Then his position …

“Throughout my career I have always tried to conduct myself with respect towards others.”

He continues …

“I understand the most important thing is how each individual feels.”

The MP says he welcomes a look-see into the allegations against him.

“Harassment is never acceptable and everyone deserves to have their voice heard.” So there you have it.

[troutman]

I don't see any specific denial by Hehr of the allegations. His statement is carefully worded, and vague.

http://calgarysun.com/opinion/column...hr-fights-back

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't see any specific denial by Hehr of the allegations. His statement is carefully worded, and vague.

http://calgarysun.com/opinion/column...hr-fights-back

Sure it's vague. That only makes sense. No need to give anyone more fuel.

From the article you linked, (Rick Bell is now an OK source I assume?)

He’s not saying sorry. He’s not exiting politics after a eulogy full of regret and recrimination. He’s not exiting politics at all. He will challenge the allegations and the accuser or accusers.

But this isn’t over. People who know him confirm it.

Kent Hehr is ready to fight.

Who knows what he is saying in private, but saying nothing specific in public is hardly an admission of guilt nor a lack of denial.

Beyond all that if the decision of guilt or innocence or anything in between is based on press releases or lack there of, or anything based in the media without any sort of internal or external investigation and merely on what one entity says.....

No thanks.

Just to be clear here as well. I am not defending Hehr...at all. If he did what is being claimed, then by all means he should be booted from the house all together and in cases where physical assault occurred, criminal charges.

But there HAS to be a process beyond, "she said so"