[PGT] Flames 3 - Oielrs 4 (SO)

[CaptainCrunch]

Man, its funny as you get older, you're give a frack kind of goes away.

In my 20's and 30's after a game like that I'd be swearing and throwing stuff.

After last nights game, I went "Oh the Good Place is on, I'm going to watch that"

I agree with what the guys on the fan said, the Oilers down 2-0 were pretty much ready to throw their cards in, but the Flames were maybe overly


lackadaisical about having that lead and started to lollygag and be too fancy.



For the most part, when the Flames want to they are lights out good in their own end and have been for a while, but last night they just weren't very detail oriented. Its not that the Oilers are fast, or sneaky, the Flames just didn't protect the seams that well.

There were times when the effort was really good.

But the problems continue to be around the offense coming from anyone not on the first line or with the initials MT.

I think that there is the potential to be a really good hockey team in here, and yes while the coaches have to chomp down on that brown runny substance between two slices of bread, some of the players have to take a serious look in the mirror in terms of their execution of role and how hard they work on that.

the power play is simply a gong show, when your playing a team that has like a 50% penalty kill and you can't take advantage of it, I have to wonder what as the guy who designs it is thinking. Not much at all.

The zone entrances are terrible, basically its pass it back, flip it to Johnny and hope that he can penetrate and jam the brakes on. Now teams are basically content with letting him come in and slam on the breaks on the boards while they sit in his passing lanes, then Johnny moves along the blueline and tries to force a pass, that gets blocked 80's of the time. That's not on Johnny, that's on design.

The other thing, when they do get the puck in the zone and control it, everything goes to the boards, and at that point, the other team just pushes in on it. I mean I get it, the Flames are hoping that Johnny can either escape contain or pass through it, but its stupid and doesn't work, and they need to get the play off the boards.

there's not enough movement on the powerplay, its stagnant, someone has to break down the box, instead we play around the outside and pray for an open passing or shooting lane from the point, and it doesn't work, teams are too smart and good at blocking shooting lanes.

Someone has got to get this team out of its 80's think on the powerplay.

GG deserves to get as much credit for implementing a defensive system that's stiffling as he should be absolutely dragged over the coals for the power play and penalty killing issues.

I honestly don't think that trading for a sniper up front solves anything with the current way the system works.

Oh and some other thoughts.

McDavid is a world class crybaby, as far as I'm concern he did enough to drag Rittich away from the post, it might be tippy tappy, but he was involved with the goaltender, no goal, stop crying you whiny little girl.

If I was the official at that game, the next time I ref the Oilers, I had him a bunch of brochures for golf course, and ask him to review them. The cardinal rule is that you can complain, but don't show up a ref or you end up getting the Vancouver treatment. McDavid is a world class diver and whiner and its UN-neccessary, if they're positioning him as the face of hockey, not interested.

Anyways, my two cents maaaaannnnn

Not mad, more lackadaisical.

[djsFlames]

1st should produce just about every game. 2nd line about every second game. 3rd line every third, at least, and 4th line basically once every handful of games.

Doesn't seem like a difficult feat but if you can get even just that, the offense is probably going to be enough to not hinder you. Problem for the Flames is the D has had to compensate for the bottom six in recent weeks cause they've given then absolutely nothing. Those kids are pretty lost right now and it's a bit sad to see Bennett as clueless as the rookies. It's hard to argue that he has a better sense of how to play (well) in the league as when he first broke in.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by redforever

But it will. The Flames could have controlled their destiny here by knocking off teams they should be able to beat.

You don't and can't control your destiny at the end of the season. You do it by now by winning the games you should.

No team wins all the games it should. Period. That's why the schedule is 82 games long. Sometimes you win games you shouldn't, sometimes you lose games you shouldn't, sometimes the schedule or injuries screw you, and sometimes they help you.

Every single team.

The whole season is not decided on this game or these 4 games.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Locke

Conversely, perhaps you were the jinx. As I recall, prior to your showing up things were going quite well...

I think so too! We lost to Winnipeg before I arrived, but I've certainly watched my fair share of road losses as well!

I'll at least have a good chuckle if they go on to start winning again now that I'm back home.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Man, its funny as you get older, you're give a frack kind of goes away.

In my 20's and 30's after a game like that I'd be swearing and throwing stuff.

After last nights game, I went "Oh the Good Place is on, I'm going to watch that"

I agree with what the guys on the fan said, the Oilers down 2-0 were pretty much ready to throw their cards in, but the Flames were maybe overly


lackadaisical about having that lead and started to lollygag and be too fancy.



For the most part, when the Flames want to they are lights out good in their own end and have been for a while, but last night they just weren't very detail oriented. Its not that the Oilers are fast, or sneaky, the Flames just didn't protect the seams that well.

There were times when the effort was really good.

But the problems continue to be around the offense coming from anyone not on the first line or with the initials MT.

I think that there is the potential to be a really good hockey team in here, and yes while the coaches have to chomp down on that brown runny substance between two slices of bread, some of the players have to take a serious look in the mirror in terms of their execution of role and how hard they work on that.

the power play is simply a gong show, when your playing a team that has like a 50% penalty kill and you can't take advantage of it, I have to wonder what as the guy who designs it is thinking. Not much at all.

The zone entrances are terrible, basically its pass it back, flip it to Johnny and hope that he can penetrate and jam the brakes on. Now teams are basically content with letting him come in and slam on the breaks on the boards while they sit in his passing lanes, then Johnny moves along the blueline and tries to force a pass, that gets blocked 80's of the time. That's not on Johnny, that's on design.

The other thing, when they do get the puck in the zone and control it, everything goes to the boards, and at that point, the other team just pushes in on it. I mean I get it, the Flames are hoping that Johnny can either escape contain or pass through it, but its stupid and doesn't work, and they need to get the play off the boards.

there's not enough movement on the powerplay, its stagnant, someone has to break down the box, instead we play around the outside and pray for an open passing or shooting lane from the point, and it doesn't work, teams are too smart and good at blocking shooting lanes.

Someone has got to get this team out of its 80's think on the powerplay.

GG deserves to get as much credit for implementing a defensive system that's stiffling as he should be absolutely dragged over the coals for the power play and penalty killing issues.

I honestly don't think that trading for a sniper up front solves anything with the current way the system works.

Oh and some other thoughts.

McDavid is a world class crybaby, as far as I'm concern he did enough to drag Rittich away from the post, it might be tippy tappy, but he was involved with the goaltender, no goal, stop crying you whiny little girl.

If I was the official at that game, the next time I ref the Oilers, I had him a bunch of brochures for golf course, and ask him to review them. The cardinal rule is that you can complain, but don't show up a ref or you end up getting the Vancouver treatment. McDavid is a world class diver and whiner and its UN-neccessary, if they're positioning him as the face of hockey, not interested.

Anyways, my two cents maaaaannnnn

Not mad, more lackadaisical.

Man this is so true. I was a rabid Flames fans in my younger days. I remember wrecking a pair of glasses I slammed into the floor when they lost to the Jets in the 85 playoffs.

I still cheer for the Flames, but when you're older there are a lot of bigger priorities than hockey. If they win, great; if they lose it sucks but I don't really get too excited about it either way.

[Toonage]

Not me. At 43, I still get as angry as ever at a loss.

Shouting, swearing, scaring the dog and making my wife question where her life went wrong. All very immature, but I can't help it. Its always meant a lot to me and it always will. Hockey is my one escape where I can let loose and vent my frustrations when they lose and celebrate wildy when they win. I cherish it, the good and the bad.

[Otto-matic]

Book it out on Monahan for the shootout. Everyone knows he'll do a quick wrister blocker side or 5 hole. He's not creative enough to try a deke or something different.

Put Backlund, Janko heck even Hathaway and let them try.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Book it out on Monahan for the shootout. Everyone knows he'll do a quick wrister blocker side or 5 hole. He's not creative enough to try a deke or something different.

Put Backlund, Janko heck even Hathaway and let them try.

Janko has had one attempt and it was terrible (plus he completely muffed a breakaway from about centre ice the other night). I think he has the tools to be really good at them, but it's definitely a skill to be acquired.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Janko has had one attempt and it was terrible (plus he completely muffed a breakaway from about centre ice the other night). I think he has the tools to be really good at them, but it's definitely a skill to be acquired.

Is it any worse then the attempt Monahan had for the shootout?

I'd also swap the lines a bit. If Frolik Comes back he slots in on the 3rd

Gaudreau-Backlund-Chucky
Bennett-Monahan-Ferland
Eatbread-Janko-Frolik
Brouwer-Staj-Lazar/Lomberg/Hathaway

[CaptainCrunch]

Right now, MT is our main beast on the shootout.

I sometime miss Dion's adams apple slapshot shootout.

[ResAlien]

I too don’t have the energy to get too angry anymore. Sure I’ll complain a bit during the game but once it’s over I don’t dwell too much. I’ve reached the disappointed parent stage of fandom.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny, because I've been on this board for a loooooonnnng time, and I used to come here after every game win or loss.

Now I don't go near the Flames part til the next day.

I'm not as captured by Hockey anymore, and not because of the way the game is played now, but more along the line is if your a fan of something for 30 or 40 years, your interest is going to inevitably fade.

[colbym72]

I still have the energy and get excited, I just have watched sports long enough to know you should not knee jerk react to the highs or the lows the way this forum can sometimes. Its a loooooong season. I have learned the sun will be up tomorrow regardless and unless the team is in a dire position, its not worth freaking out or obsessing over players or coaches to be fired with so much left to be decided.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

I don't think Gulutzan is getting fired any time soon, but when he does get fired, I'll bet he's the only coach in team history to never get a win against the Oilers.

While Bob Johnson eventually solved the Oilers (especially in the playoffs) it was a pretty bad stretch where they were 0-11-2 in 13 games and outscored 68-43 from 1984 to 1986.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

While Bob Johnson eventually solved the Oilers (especially in the playoffs) it was a pretty bad stretch where they were 0-11-2 in 13 games and outscored 68-43 from 1984 to 1986.

That was different though, as the Oilers were a powerhouse during those years. The 2018 Flames are arguably the better team right now, both on paper as well as on-ice results, and there's no reason they shouldn't be able to beat that tire fire of a team. The Oilers are in their heads right now in the same way the Anaheim arena was. Once the Flames get over that mental hurdle, I have faith that the universe will right itself.

They took some baby steps last night by at least getting it to the shootout and grabbing a point. Hopefully the next game will finally end with a nice big satisfying W.

[sarge]

Could someone please post a gif of McZitface’s generational dive from last night?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No team wins all the games it should. Period. That's why the schedule is 82 games long. Sometimes you win games you shouldn't, sometimes you lose games you shouldn't, sometimes the schedule or injuries screw you, and sometimes they help you.

Every single team.

The whole season is not decided on this game or these 4 games.

No team wins all the games it should, agree. But, the Calgary Flames SHOULD NEVER lose to the Edmonton Oilers, that's the Cardinal Rule.

Sometimes you win games you shouldn't, sometimes you lose games you shouldn't, agree. But the Calgary Flames SHOULD NEVER lose to the Edmonton Oilers EVER!!!

The whole season is not decided on this game or these 4 games, agree. But the Calgary Flames under NO CIRCUMSTANCE lose to the Edmonton Oilers.

/rant

[direwolf]

Was just listening to Elliotte Friedman from his appearance on the Fan this morning, and he thinks the problem with the Flames isn't so much a lack of offence, but a lack of meanness and killer instinct. As he put it, they don't have that "F U attitude" that a lot of other teams have, and as a result they seem unable to stomp on the other team's throat when they have them down like last night in Edmonton, and the LA game.

I agree somewhat with the killer instinct part, but I thought it was odd that he didn't mention anything about their dreadful PP, which is arguably the biggest issue with the Flames right now, and is actually costing them wins. Maybe a lack of killer instinct is directly affecting the PP, and that's partly why it's so atrocious? Who knows.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Man, its funny as you get older, you're give a frack kind of goes away.

In my 20's and 30's after a game like that I'd be swearing and throwing stuff.

I'm the opposite somehow. I've gotten more into it over the years. Even during those idiotic days of Brent Sutter.

Unfortunately this also means I now get irrationally emotional in moments of adversity, even though I try to suck it up, and also prone to anger outbursts over silly things like a bad pass over an obvious shot, or a soft defensive play. At a Hurricanes game in Feb 2015 I think I spent a full half period just ripping into Russell non-stop to my friends.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Was just listening to Elliotte Friedman from his appearance on the Fan this morning, and he thinks the problem with the Flames isn't so much a lack of offence, but a lack of meanness and killer instinct. As he put it, they don't have that "F U attitude" that a lot of other teams have, and as a result they seem unable to stomp on the other team's throat when they have them down like last night in Edmonton, and the LA game.

I agree somewhat with the killer instinct part, but I thought it was odd that he didn't mention anything about their dreadful PP, which is arguably the biggest issue with the Flames right now, and is actually costing them wins. Maybe a lack of killer instinct is directly affecting the PP, and that's partly why it's so atrocious? Who knows.

Pretty sure he did. But he went on to say that the Flames have blown a bunch of leads.

Based on my quick look, I think they have blown leads in 10 of the last 13 games - 8 of those in the 3rd period.

I don't care how tough it has been to score, or how bad the PP has been, if they were better at holding those leads, they would be in much better shape.

Having said that, the lack of a PP has been a large contributing part of their inability to 'step on teams' throats'. A very large part.