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Vinny01 · 01-25-2018, 06:33 PM

Saw the Zack Amith to Flames rumor thread on HF and the first Sens fan that posts thinks Bennett could be going the other way. I don’t move Bennett for Hoffman let alone Smith

jonkaupp · 01-25-2018, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Saw the Zack Amith to Flames rumor thread on HF and the first Sens fan that posts thinks Bennett could be going the other way. I don’t move Bennett for Hoffman let alone Smith

I would move him for Hoffman. Clearly wont be a Bennett for Smith trade.

ComixZone · 01-25-2018, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jonkaupp

I would move him for Hoffman. Clearly wont be a Bennett for Smith trade.

Trading Bennett for a 28 year old would be a bad move. You want to make the argument for including Bennett in a trade involving Stone (25) and sure, that's an acceptable age hit - but not 28 (turns 29 in November).

And I want Hoffman, but not at Bennett's expense, and I don't think Treliving is looking to subtract contributing roster players.

Oling_Roachinen · 01-25-2018, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

but not 28 (turns 29 in November).

Haha, nothing against the root of your argument but I just love that you felt the need to tell us he will turn a year older in ten months.

ComixZone · 01-25-2018, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Haha, nothing against the root of your argument but I just love that you felt the need to tell us he will turn a year older in ten months.

jonkaupp · 01-25-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Trading Bennett for a 28 year old would be a bad move. You want to make the argument for including Bennett in a trade involving Stone (25) and sure, that's an acceptable age hit - but not 28 (turns 29 in November).

And I want Hoffman, but not at Bennett's expense, and I don't think Treliving is looking to subtract contributing roster players.

I dont think I’d do it straight across but I dont think a lot would have to be added. I know everyone wants Bennett to succeed, but right now its not looking good. We need scoring bad now. I dunno, I think I’d rather trade him than Brodie.

TOfan · 01-25-2018, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Mark Stone
Dion Phaneuf @ 15% retained for each of the remaining years

For

TJ Brodie
Sam Bennett
Prospect

... would you do it ?

Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Frolik - Jankowski - Brouwer
Mangiapane - Stajan - Hathaway
Lazar

Giordano - Hamilton
Phaneuf - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

Smith
Rittich

Wouldn't want to include a prospect & I don't think Ottawa would retain any money but, in principle, I would do it. Stone is the best player in the deal.

Jiri Hrdina · 01-25-2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

Monahan has proven that when he's on the first line, first PP that he puts up offensive numbers every year yes.

Couturier is showing that we he's on the first line and first PP that he puts up better offensive numbers than Monahan. Couturier has, up until this season, never been given the plumb deployments Monahan gets. And even this season, as I showed posts earlier, is getting significantly more challenging zone starts than Monahan who's more or less sheltered as a offensive zone player.

This year is the first year that Couturier has been on PP1 in Philadelphia. Las year he had 2 PPP points with 1:49 PP TOI on average. His PP linemates? Travis Konecny and Dale Weise. This year he's playing on PP1 and has over 3 minutes a night of PP time, subsequently he has 10 PPP.

At even strength, he played with Weise and Schenn last year for the most part.

Monahan has averaged over 3 minutes of PP TOI for the past three seasons, playing with significantly more talent.

If Couturier gets Monahan's PP deployment and points of 17 last season then he's right there with him in total points of 55 to 58. This year it's not going to be close.

The craziest thing is that it's not even about the PP usage that's driving the core results. Couturier is tied for 2nd in the league at 39 ES points. Think about that. He's starting 57% of the time in the defensive zone and is second in the league in ES points. Incredible.

I'm waiting to hear the statistical argument for why you think Monahan is in the same conversation as Couturier, let alone better.

Because he's done it for more than half a season.
No question that Couturier is better defensively.

Heavy Jack · 01-25-2018, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jonkaupp

I would move him for Hoffman. Clearly wont be a Bennett for Smith trade.

I don’t think I move Bennett for Hoffman... he is still too raw of a talent to give up at his age versus Hoffman who was a late bloomer and is starting to peak at age 28.

jonkaupp · 01-25-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I don’t think I move Bennett for Hoffman... he is still too raw of a talent to give up at his age versus Hoffman who was a late bloomer and is starting to peak at age 28.

Ya I understand that argument. That said, I doubt Ottawa would do that deal either. Bennett’s value league wide is way lower than anyone here would admit.

Enoch Root · 01-25-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Ya I understand that argument. That said, I doubt Ottawa would do that deal either. Bennett’s value league wide is way lower than anyone here would admit.

with fans maybe, but not with GMs

sureLoss · 01-25-2018, 07:30 PM

Cammalleri for Hunter Smith.

Complete the trilogy

Heavy Jack · 01-25-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Ya I understand that argument. That said, I doubt Ottawa would do that deal either. Bennett’s value league wide is way lower than anyone here would admit.

Of course Hoffman is more valuable now as a player but in 1 or 2 years that has a more than good chance of changing and Bennett will have another 3-5 years of prime on top of that; I don’t think Treliving does that trade IMO.

jonkaupp · 01-25-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Of course Hoffman is more valuable now as a player but in 1 or 2 years that has a more than good chance of changing and Bennett will have another 3-5 years of prime on top of that; I don’t think Treliving does that trade IMO.

Ya like I said, I understand that argument. I also dont think Ottawa would take that trade.

goflamesgo18 · 01-25-2018, 08:14 PM

If we are getting hoffman it will be a package around prospects/picks. Sam is too valuable now and in the future for calgary.

Poe969 · 01-25-2018, 08:18 PM

Bennett Brodie and Brouwer for Stone and someone else

dammage79 · 01-25-2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Cammalleri for Hunter Smith.

Complete the trilogy

And then when we're done with him we trade him back to Montreal?

oldschoolcalgary · 01-25-2018, 08:34 PM

wrong thread

TOfan · 01-25-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

with fans maybe, but not with GMs

You honestly believe this? Sam has been handled with kid gloves by the Flames and he looks nothing but lost 90% of the time. Has he had a decent shot on goal in the last 4 games?

It's one thing not to notice Travis Hamonic, it's another not to notice Sam Bennett.

Enoch Root · 01-25-2018, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TOfan

You honestly believe this? Sam has been handled with kid gloves by the Flames and he looks nothing but lost 90% of the time. Has he had a shot on goal in the last 4 games?

It's one thing not to notice Travis Hamonic, it's another not to notice Sam Bennett.

GMs are concerned with what the player can be, not what he did over the last 4 games for another team.

Fans are very "what have you done for me lately?"