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[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

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We’d be way better off just instituting a mandatory 15% service charge at every restaurant and bar. Might even save some people some money who routinely tip above that. Unfortunately, it’s not really the money that gets people going in this situation, it’s the power. Which is why this crap societal norm is going to be so hard to get rid of.

What you are describing is a tipless society.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

What you are describing is a tipless society.

Sounds like a utopia. Other countries do it, why can't we?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sounds like a utopia. Other countries do it, why can't we?

We've discussed this. Its because of Tinordi. Hes why we cant have nice things. Well him and the nudists. Bastards!

[puckedoff]

Is no one going to think of the obvious consequence of the tipless society? Careful what you wish for

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sounds like a utopia. Other countries do it, why can't we?

Because you would have to convince restaurants in mass to switch at once because consumers are too stupid to comprehend price differences with or without the tip included

You could legislate it but it would be terrible optically taking away money from hard working low income people.

Or you could be cheap and just do it yourself and create no impact in the market and force the servers to pay to serve you.

None of these paths will get us to our tipless utopia. And as this fictitious "gig" economy expands it will get worse as companies use contractors to bypass labour laws and push the onus to the customer to provide living wages.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Is no one going to think of the obvious consequence of the tipless society? Careful what you wish for

What is the obvious consequence?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

Because you would have to convince restaurants in mass to switch at once because consumers are too stupid to comprehend price differences with or without the tip included

You could legislate it but it would be terrible optically taking away money from hard working low income people.

Or you could be cheap and just do it yourself and create no impact in the market and force the servers to pay to serve you.

None of these paths will get us to our tipless utopia. And as this fictitious "gig" economy expands it will get worse as companies use contractors to bypass labour laws and push the onus to the customer to provide living wages.

I'd be willing to accept an authoritarian dictate on this one issue. Tipping sucks.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd be willing to accept an authoritarian dictate on this one issue. Tipping sucks.

Start with fast food places that have a tip function on their debit machine. No Thai Express, I will not be giving you a tip.

Make an example of them, any fast food place with a tip function gets the death penalty.

[OMG!WTF!]

There's a guy at Caesar's who has been a waiter there since it opened like 45 years ago. So um, that's pretty cool. Bet he cracks a million in tips this year. Probably cleaned up after me that time I barfed on the bread basket. We tried to be classy on special occasions but that just wasn't us. It wasn't long after that my sister sold me to her friends at rt alderman. And I never went to Caesar's again. The end.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

There's a guy at Caesar's who has been a waiter there since it opened like 45 years ago. So um, that's pretty cool. Bet he cracks a million in tips this year. Probably cleaned up after me that time I barfed on the bread basket. We tried to be classy on special occasions but that just wasn't us. It wasn't long after that my sister sold me to her friends at rt alderman. And I never went to Caesar's again. The end.

Well your problem was getting the bread instead of the cheese bread!

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by GGG

What is the obvious consequence?

Well without tip culture, what would be the incentive for waitresses to wear low cut blouses and laugh at my jokes?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Start with fast food places that have a tip function on their debit machine. No Thai Express, I will not be giving you a tip.

Make an example of them, any fast food place with a tip function gets the death penalty.

It's becoming an epidemic. I can't believe the places that beg for tips nowadays. But there is a silver lining... It's helping me get used to saying no, and punching in a big fat zero when asked. Sorry, Taco Bell. If you need more than your posted prices, raise your prices. I highly doubt the staff are getting a cut of that, anyway. The friggin owners are pocketing that guilt money, so no, F that noise.

And the tip jars at places like liquor stores? You're sitting on a stool watching a movie on your ipad! I carried my beer to your counter, handed you cash, and all you had to do was give me change. You have absolutely got to be kidding me if you think I'm tipping you.

I would be all for eradicating tipping from Canada. Go ahead and charge me more for the food at the pub, and pay the server more. Tipping is the reason I never pay cash at pubs anymore. Those annoying amounts where it's sort of like if you don't forfeit your change entirely, you're being cheap.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Is no one going to think of the obvious consequence of the tipless society? Careful what you wish for

Originally Posted by GGG

What is the obvious consequence?

Think of all the 'just the tip...' jokes that we would miss out on.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

What are the prices compared to here?

Exactly the same. Though the wine was a little cheaper by the bottle at restaurants...but you know, France...lol

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Do you find yourself asking questions like these about persons and establishments selling you thirty bucks worth of goods:

No I don't. Did you read any posts in this thread?

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

How much does the cashier pay in taxes?
How much do the staff make above minimum wage?
What is tipout and how much is it?
Why must I be responsible for covering the tipout of a bad employee?
Why can’t I not tip anything like I did that one time in Europe and still receive great service?
Why can’t I tell my cashier or management about the reasons I have justly withheld my money?

The only question I ask is why doesn't their employer pay their wages, why am I stuck in the middle, and are they paying their fair share of taxes?

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

If you find yourself asking these questions, you’ve bought into the stupidest part about tipping: the ridiculous notion that thirty bucks worth of food gives one a right to pass judgement on a business and its employees. For some it appears to be a noble obligation to tell these people when they’re doing a bad job: “Need to let them know that wasn’t acceptable service!”

Anytime I am paying for a service, I certainly have a reasonable assumption I can pass judgement. Not rudely or anything, but it is reasonable. I haven't really seen what you are accusing people of in this thread.

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

We’d be way better off just instituting a mandatory 15% service charge at every restaurant and bar. Might even save some people some money who routinely tip above that. Unfortunately, it’s not really the money that gets people going in this situation, it’s the power. Which is why this crap societal norm is going to be so hard to get rid of.

Clearly you didn't read posts in this thread. We would be better off with no tipping. Let employers pay the correct wages, charge the correct amounts, and everyone pays their taxes.

LOL at the power part, wth.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Well without tip culture, what would be the incentive for waitresses to wear low cut blouses and laugh at my jokes?

We joke, but my recollections of countries that don't have tip culture is they also don't have the waitresses in short skirts and low cut blouses culture either. After a few years of a no-tipping regime, I expect we'd see a different makeup in the people who work as wait staff.

[stampsx2]

Thought i’d share from a CBC article.

"Briefly, I worked as a waiter at a fine dining establishment. One night we had a party that spent $5,000 on dinner. We had a mandatory 10 per cent tip for large bills, however most tables paid much more as a big meal means a lot of work for the wait staff.

After paying the bill for the table, the patriarch of this particularly frugal family pulled me aside, gave me a pat on the back and told me that I did a great job. He then proceeded to hand me a toonie and two quarters."

[GGG]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Thought i’d share from a CBC article.

"Briefly, I worked as a waiter at a fine dining establishment. One night we had a party that spent $5,000 on dinner. We had a mandatory 10 per cent tip for large bills, however most tables paid much more as a big meal means a lot of work for the wait staff.

After paying the bill for the table, the patriarch of this particularly frugal family pulled me aside, gave me a pat on the back and told me that I did a great job. He then proceeded to hand me a toonie and two quarters."

Must have been the Oilers

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Thought i’d share from a CBC article.

"Briefly, I worked as a waiter at a fine dining establishment. One night we had a party that spent $5,000 on dinner. We had a mandatory 10 per cent tip for large bills, however most tables paid much more as a big meal means a lot of work for the wait staff.

After paying the bill for the table, the patriarch of this particularly frugal family pulled me aside, gave me a pat on the back and told me that I did a great job. He then proceeded to hand me a toonie and two quarters."

so the waiter got a $502.50 tip for the night, not bad at all. Some people work a week for that much. What's the point?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Swarly

so the waiter got a $502.50 tip for the night, not bad at all. Some people work a week for that much. What's the point?

Haha - yeah, that's exactly what I thought. If you include a mandatory tip on the bill, does the waiter / waitress expect even more than what I was forced to pay?

And not calling the guy a liar, but I've never seen a restaurant that applies less than 15% (usually 18%) mandatory tip on large groups - so I'm guessing he got closer to $750 than $500 as the mandatory tip.

It's just funny that lots of these "sob stories" from wait staff generally paint them in a negative light as they tend to not fully think though how the story will be perceived. "I got a mandatory $500+ tip and then the guy gave me an extra $2! Can you believe it??"