2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Wait... what? Brodie is better than Hamonic? In what world? Brodie has been a dumpster fire for the most part this season.

Oh wait.. not if reunited with Gio and playing out of position like he should be, right? Displacing Dougie? Cause he’s better than him too huh?..

Wow..

Brodie is better than Hamonic. I'm surprised that's even a question. Which is why, IMO, his trade value would be as suggested.

The premium skill sets for modern NHL defencemen are mobility and puck moving ability. Brodie, despite his gaffs, can do that as well as anyone in the league.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Brodie's so talented he can be a top D but he's not talented enough to adjust to playing on his forehand. Schroedinger's Brodie.

So your take is he is not an NHLer on the left side?

Swap Brodie and Dougie to be paired with Gio and let’s see who the whipping boy would be.

[Caged Great]

Some times it is about comfort and he played for a long time as a right d. It is like playing a winger on their off side. Sometimes it works not problem. Other times it is a disaster. It depends. Since Brodie got switched he has been off defensively and hasnt been himself. The first thing i would try is putting him back on the right side. That might be enough. Or it won't. Can't tell until it's tried to see if thats the problem or not.

[GoJetsGo]

The odd part about all this whining and nit-picking is Brodie has been playing very solid alongside Hamonic the last six weeks or so.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Brodie is better than Hamonic. I'm surprised that's even a question. Which is why, IMO, his trade value would be as suggested.

The premium skill sets for modern NHL defencemen are mobility and puck moving ability. Brodie, despite his gaffs, can do that as well as anyone in the league.

Really? Then why is he not even in the top 20 Dmen in the NHL? But he can move the puck as well as anyone?

Man.. this Brodie love is borderline Oiler’esque homerism.

[Enoch Root]

t this point, Brodie needs more than simply being switched back to the right side. He has developed some bad habits and seems to have lost focus defensively.

All of these things are fixable however. And the talent is indisputable.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Really? Then why is he not even in the top 20 Dmen in the NHL? But he can move the puck as well as anyone?

Man.. this Brodie love is borderline Oiler’esque homerism.

You don't need to be a top 20 NHL dman to net a handsome return in a trade. Top 4 D on a good contract, exceptional skater and puck mover.

That's not homerism, that's understanding the going rate for a rare commodity in the NHL trade landscape.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Really? Then why is he not even in the top 20 Dmen in the NHL? But he can move the puck as well as anyone?

Man.. this Brodie love is borderline Oiler’esque homerism.

I think the Brodie Love stems from the hate he has received from a vocal portion of their board. When someone stated something like “if we can get a 2nd let’s take it and run” it is natural a ridiculous comment like that will swing others to the opposite side of the spectrum.

Brodie is a prototypical NHL defensemen in today’s game thanks to his mobility.

One of his most lethal tools years ago was his backhand which he utilizes less playing his proper side.

With this current coaching staff moving Brodie means Kulak is in the top 4. Anyone think he can handle that?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The odd part about all this whining and nit-picking is Brodie has been playing very solid alongside Hamonic the last six weeks or so.

But he hasn’t.. he’s been responsible or at the very least was not the Dman his supporters claim when the game tying goals were scored against the flames in the last 2 games that both lead to the other team getting right back into the game and ultimately winning.

I look for Brodie specifically when a goal is scored on the Flames and more often than not, there he is, on the ice and at some point during the play, out of position, not hard on the puck, losing his man or leaning to get the puck instead of skating.

He plays way too casual for my liking and I think that’s due to him thinking es better than he is.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

There's no reason to trade your #2C (who you don't have a replacement for); unless he's told Treliving he wouldn't sign here if you paid him like Kopitar, you have to keep him and let the chips fall where they may.

I know I'm taking your words out of context but they support my point; the same logic applies to Brodie.

What is the best six D we can ice right now, and does it include Brodie? GG sees him as 3rd out of eight. That is a big vacancy for a 'build out from the Net' team (BT's words).

I see almost no scenario where Backlund or Brodie are dealt unless the Flames fall way out. The only takers are likely to be playoff bound, they won't risk a hockey trade - they'll only want to give prospects and picks.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But he hasn’t..

Yes, he has.

If we're looking objectively at the stretch of 20 or so games where the Flames have not given up more than 2 goals most nights, he has been playing much better. He and Hamonic have been very solid during this stretch, especially compared to their slow start to the season.

That solid stretch spanning the last month + isn't negated by a couple single plays.

Second, this was a good point stated above:

That's not homerism, that's understanding the going rate for a rare commodity in the NHL trade landscape.

And to be fair, you are just about the biggest offender on this board of continuously showing you have absolutely no idea when it comes to potential trades and values. You constantly make trade suggestions that are completely out to lunch.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But he hasn’t.. he’s been responsible or at the very least was not the Dman his supporters claim when the game tying goals were scored against the flames in the last 2 games that both lead to the other team getting right back into the game and ultimately winning.

I look for Brodie specifically when a goal is scored on the Flames and more often than not, there he is, on the ice and at some point during the play, out of position, not hard on the puck, losing his man or leaning to get the puck instead of skating.

He plays way too casual for my liking and I think that’s due to him thinking es better than he is.

This season I will say that Brodie and Hamonic have been a wash. Both have nearly identical stats (poor possession, same ZS%, etc.) but Brodie puts up more points (he gets powerplay time).

However, Brodie has many seasons prior where has was a very good defenceman, with strong possession numbers and good offensive stats. Brodie only has 3 seasons over his career with CF% Rel below 0 (his rookie season and his two under Gulutzan). He has a career +1.7%. Hamonic is a career CF% Rel of -1.9.

That's if the eye test isn't enough for you.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think the Brodie Love stems from the hate he has received from a vocal portion of their board. When someone stated something like “if we can get a 2nd let’s take it and run” it is natural a ridiculous comment like that will swing others to the opposite side of the spectrum.

Brodie is a prototypical NHL defensemen in today’s game thanks to his mobility.

One of his most lethal tools years ago was his backhand which he utilizes less playing his proper side.

With this current coaching staff moving Brodie means Kulak is in the top 4. Anyone think he can handle that?

Las Vegas is dominating the league with a roster full of guys like Kulak who all those smart hockey people thought couldn't handle it.

[cross16]

When Gio went down that 14-15 seasons didn't Brodie play the Left side with Engelland? and play fantastic.

or am I not remembering that correctly?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Las Vegas is dominating the league with a roster full of guys like Kulak who all those smart hockey people thought couldn't handle it.

Of course expansion teams with castoff players are always elite President’s trophy candidates in their inaugural season. Vegas is clearly an outlier that is benefiting from teams having the “Vegas flu” and they have clearly one of the best coaches in the game today. Look what Gallant did with the Panthers and look at that same team the past 2 years. Flames definitely do not have a coach like that.

Another bad take on your end. “Vegas is good therefore we can put an extremely
unproven Dman in the top 4 of the Flames because well Vegas has players playing above their head”

2 players I hopenthe Flames refuse to trade until a new coach is in place are Bennett and Brodie. I can see both players making the Flames look silly on their new teams

[codynw]

Originally Posted by cross16

When Gio went down that 14-15 seasons didn't Brodie play the Left side with Engelland? and play fantastic.

or am I not remembering that correctly?

You are correct. Maybe the best stretch of hockey Brodie has ever played.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Of course expansion teams with castoff players are always elite President’s trophy candidates in their inaugural season. Vegas is clearly an outlier that is benefiting from teams having the “Vegas flu” and they have clearly one of the best coaches in the game today. Look what Gallant did with the Panthers and look at that same team the past 2 years. Flames definitely do not have a coach like that.

Another bad take on your end. “Vegas is good therefore we can put an extremely
unproven Dman in the top 4 of the Flames because well Vegas has players playing above their head”

2 players I hopenthe Flames refuse to trade until a new coach is in place are Bennett and Brodie. I can see both players making the Flames look silly on their new teams

The Knights have as many road wins as any team in the NHL not named the Lightning.

Just sayin.

[Tinordi]

Explain Las Vegas' dominance with terms like "playing over their heads" and "Vegas flu" and then, in the same post, accuse another poster of having a bad take.

Chutzpah

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Las Vegas is dominating the league with a roster full of guys like Kulak who all those smart hockey people thought couldn't handle it.

All of their D men are better than Kulak.

Probably why they picked them over you know, Kulak.

[dino7c]

UFA Kris Russell almost got us a first rounder

some people seriously under rate the value of dmen