2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are so wrong. Are you saying Hamonic had two disaster seasons in a row and then hyping Brodie who is a negative black hole in his past two years? Dude, much like Backlund you seriously need to stop way overrating the players you like, talking like Brodie has the same value as a guy like OEL and Backlund is on the same tier as Patrice Bergeron. Crazy.

When did I ever say any of this?

This forum needs to calm the hell down after a loss. It's hilarious. The re-sign Backlund thread was completely positive before yesterday and has now done a complete 180. You guys now want to trade Brodie for a 2nd round pick.

Somebody needs to definitely stop doing something.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Corral

Francis would not have gone off on Kane last night during the intermission if there was any chance the Flames were actually looking at acquiring him. The guy has enough inside knowledge to know it would not be looked upon kindly by the mothership to trash talk what would be a headline acquisition at the deadline.

I don’t think Francis has very much inside info at all and I also don’t think he cares about making the Flames brass happy. I think his most redeeming quality is that he isn’t a complete homer like Spector, he criticizes Flames players and management all the time.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by cKy

Brodie has had a pretty unspectacular last two seasons, but your comment about 'put points on the board' doesn't seem terribly accurate to me.

He currently has 20 points, so on par for best for 8th on the team and 3rd for defenseman.

The 2016-2017 he had 36
The 2015-2016 he had 45
The 2014-2015 he had 41

So point wise he is usually right where he typically is. I just notice absolutely bone-headed plays from him that I don't remember him doing 2-3 years ago.

I agree, his point production hasn't trailed off. What has changed is that Giordano isn't cleaning up his messes anymore and Hamonic hasn't quite learned how yet. I think Hamonic has been doing his best though. Add to that that Brodie is definitely a confidence driven player and you have the black hole that he is become. I bet he will look amazing again if we trade him and he can get back out of his own head.

[Tinordi]

People's memories of Brodie are badly skewed buy the fact that during his career year he played with Giordano at a time when Gio was a top five D in the league.

It's not like Brodie suddenly forgot how to play like a top pairing D over the past two years. The issue is he never knew it in the first place.

When are people going to accept that the Brodie you've been watching night in and night out over the past two years is the real TJ Brodie. A talented but flawed second pair d man.

[Vinny01]

The last 2 years Brodie has sucked. The last 2 years he has played the left side.

I can easily envision the Flames trading Brodie and watching him get back to his 14-16 form and making the Flames regret it. Let the guy play the side he wants and trade Stone for an equivalent left shot D

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

People's memories of Brodie are badly skewed buy the fact that during his career year he played with Giordano at a time when Gio was a top five D in the league.

It's not like Brodie suddenly forgot how to play like a top pairing D over the past two years. The issue is he never knew it in the first place.

When are people going to accept that the Brodie you've been watching night in and night out over the past two years is the real TJ Brodie. A talented but flawed second pair d man.

This is simply not true. When Giordano went down before the playoffs in 2015, he was still elite. He was by far the Flames best player in the playoffs.

There's no question his play over the last two seasons has faltered. However, it coincides completely with Gulutzan being named head coach and Brodie switching sides.

[TheScorpion]

I'm willing to bet that T.J. Brodie, if dealt solely for picks, would command, at the very least, two first-rounders.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This is simply not true. When Giordano went down before the playoffs in 2015, he was still elite. He was by far the Flames best player in the playoffs.

There's no question his play over the last two seasons has faltered. However, it coincides completely with Gulutzan being named head coach and Brodie switching sides.

Sample size, sample size, sample size

This left side, right side crutch that's the latest most durable excuse is getting very old.

Brodie plays like a flakey soft D who turns the puck over routinely only he's on his forehand. On his backhand, he's a top D in the league.

Laughable.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This is simply not true. When Giordano went down before the playoffs in 2015, he was still elite. He was by far the Flames best player in the playoffs.

There's no question his play over the last two seasons has faltered. However, it coincides completely with Gulutzan being named head coach and Brodie switching sides.

When Gio played with Brodie, they combined to make up one of the most formidable pairs in the game.

Now that Gio plays with Hamilton, they combine to make one of the most formidable pairs in the game.

Gio is one of the best defensemen, period, in the world until proven otherwise. It's ridiculous it took Gulutzan until Christmas to put him on the first powerplay.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

When did I ever say any of this?

This forum needs to calm the hell down after a loss. It's hilarious. The re-sign Backlund thread was completely positive before yesterday and has now done a complete 180. You guys now want to trade Brodie for a 2nd round pick.

Somebody needs to definitely stop doing something.

What?

All people are saying is that re-signing him is the best option, BUT, if he isn't willing/able to, then he must be dealt for some sort of a return.

That's not being negative, that's reality and the business of hockey.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

When Gio played with Brodie, they combined to make up one of the most formidable pairs in the game.

Now that Gio plays with Hamilton, they combine to make one of the most formidable pairs in the game.

Gio is one of the best defensemen, period, in the world until proven otherwise. It's ridiculous it took Gulutzan until Christmas to put him on the first powerplay.

I don't disagree with that at all. I just don't think it's a coincidence that apparently Brodie forgot how to make simple plays (and now overcomplicates it and puts himself in a bad position) when Gulutzan became head coach. As much as Tinordi may disagree, these gaffs did not happen with any sort of regularity prior.

Maybe Brodie doesn't fit with this system. Maybe we should trade him for some help up front. I do think somebody like Anderson would be ready for next season.

But if we're talking about trading Brodie for a late 1st round pick or god forbid a 2nd round pick, then the Flames have failed. We should have just used what we gave up for Hamonic in that scenario.

At best, those 2 players are a wash. So we trade a lot for Hamonic, trade Brodie for scraps, and trade those scraps for forward help? It just doesn't make sense.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

When Gio played with Brodie, they combined to make up one of the most formidable pairs in the game.

Now that Gio plays with Hamilton, they combine to make one of the most formidable pairs in the game.

Gio is one of the best defensemen, period, in the world until proven otherwise. It's ridiculous it took Gulutzan until Christmas to put him on the first powerplay.

It takes Gulutzan an absurdly long time to make obvious coaching changes. I respect his patience (sometimes) but it was painfully obvious the power play was missing a scoring threat at the blue line.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What?

All people are saying is that re-signing him is the best option, BUT, if he isn't willing/able to, then he must be dealt for some sort of a return.

That's not being negative, that's reality and the business of hockey.

The Flames are not a bubble team. They won't catch Vegas, but they are going to be battling for home ice in round one until the year is over.

There's no reason to trade your #2C (who you don't have a replacement for); unless he's told Treliving he wouldn't sign here if you paid him like Kopitar, you have to keep him and let the chips fall where they may.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What?

All people are saying is that re-signing him is the best option, BUT, if he isn't willing/able to, then he must be dealt for some sort of a return.

That's not being negative, that's reality and the business of hockey.

I'm just saying look at the posts before versus after the loss yesterday

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...=164289&page=6

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If Hamonic nets a solid 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks, and Larsson nets Hall, Brodie (who is better than both players) should net a huge return.

And if he doesn't, you don't trade him.

Wait... what? Brodie is better than Hamonic? In what world? Brodie has been a dumpster fire for the most part this season.

Oh wait.. not if reunited with Gio and playing out of position like he should be, right? Displacing Dougie? Cause he’s better than him too huh?..

Wow..

[Ashasx]

There were two pages following that post where I expressed my opinion on the above. I don't think I need to go through it again.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Wait... what? Brodie is better than Hamonic? In what world? Brodie has been a dumpster fire for the most part this season.

Oh wait.. not if reunited with Gio and playing out of position like he should be, right? Displacing Dougie? Cause he’s better than him too huh?..

Wow..

Brodie has struggled at times this season, no question. But GMing requires taking a broader view. He is immensely talented, and should be playing much better than he has so far. I certainly believe he is a better player than Hamonic - and I am a fan of Hamonic.

He is being mis-managed and improperly utilized IMO.

[Love]

Brodie for Marner. Please Lou

[Monahammer]

I don't think anyone was realistically suggesting Brodie for the equivalent of a 2nd, for what it's worth. More that he's a semi-valuable piece that could be used as the centrepiece of a deal for talent up front.

What about something around Brodie and Eberle? I've heard NYI is really looking for D. Eberle has been working out well there though.

[Tinordi]

Brodie's so talented he can be a top D but he's not talented enough to adjust to playing on his forehand. Schroedinger's Brodie.