2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[yourbestfriend]

Regarding the Larsson and Hamonic deals, people keep saying that the acquiring teams overpaid for the defenseman. That may or may not be true, however, that’s what market value is for top4 defenseman in todays league. Like it or not, these type of defenseman command a premium and GM’s do and will pay for it.

Another recent example is the Jones/Johansen trade. At the time, Jones was showing potential, but hadn’t really fully established himself in the league. Yet he brought back Johnansen, a center who just came off putting up 63 and 71points.
With all that in mind, if Brodie were to be traded (which I’m 100% against) he would bring back a pretty sizeable return.

[genetic_phreek]

During the Avs open for trade offers end of last season, I wished we did a Monahan for Mackinnon trade. Not only did Mack look good with Johnny during World Cup, but he's turned his Avs team around.

Wishful thinking in my part.

Right now the guys I wouldn't mind trading for the future because this team does not look like a contender for the cup, more so a contender for the playoffs.

Backlund - I think Janko can move up on the depth chart and I don't think Backlund's value will be any higher.

Stone - Bring in Rasmus for 3rd pairing minutes. Stone has a rocket of a shot but it not only misses the net but constantly gets blocked all the time.

Brodie - Kulak and Kylington are smooth skating offensive minded players like Brodie, he also has great value based off his offensive production.

Probably a few more on the fence for me but those are the top 3 I'd like to move.

[Corral]

Francis would not have gone off on Kane last night during the intermission if there was any chance the Flames were actually looking at acquiring him. The guy has enough inside knowledge to know it would not be looked upon kindly by the mothership to trash talk what would be a headline acquisition at the deadline.

[IgiTang]

I see Hamonic as a top 3 Dman who could easily be a #2, or #1 RD. If Hamilton wasnt in the equation, I think Hamonic looks like a stud beside Gio but on Hamonic's own merit, not because EVERYONE looks like a stud beside the beast know as Gio.

That said, expecting a return for Brodie anywhere near what Hamonic and Hamilton garnered is absolutely rediculous.

Brodie's only decent quality is his skating. He is not physical. He isnt superior positionally on most nights. He doesnt have a heavy or accurate shot. And he rushes plays and has poor shot selection in the offensive zone.

Vs Wpg and Buf, the game tying goals were Brodie's fault due to his puck watching and not picking up a man and more often than not, he picks up the wrong man when the play gets scrambly in his own end.

I know im in the minority here, and I do not hate Brodie as he has been good for us in the past, but he is on the decline. From time to time he shows some brilliance, but he is a liability more often than not in my opinion.

Brodie can still get us a decent return and I am absolutely certain he have a replacement in our system for what he brings to this team.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Regarding the Larsson and Hamonic deals, people keep saying that the acquiring teams overpaid for the defenseman. That may or may not be true, however, that’s what market value is for top4 defenseman in todays league. Like it or not, these type of defenseman command a premium and GM’s do and will pay for it.

Another recent example is the Jones/Johansen trade. At the time, Jones was showing potential, but hadn’t really fully established himself in the league. Yet he brought back Johnansen, a center who just came off putting up 63 and 71points.
With all that in mind, if Brodie were to be traded (which I’m 100% against) he would bring back a pretty sizeable return.

Jones was already better than Hamonic and Larsson when he was traded, and he had the better pedigree and potential. It's easy to see why he fetched what he fetched, top 4 guys with top 2 upside are pretty rare. Hamonic and Larsson aren't comparable to Jones at all.

I honestly can't think of another trade where a 4/5 guy brought in a top 10 winger or a 1st and 2 2nds. Trev and Chia were fleeced in those trades pretty badly IMO.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I see Hamonic as a top 3 Dman who could easily be a #2, or #1 RD. If Hamilton wasnt in the equation, I think Hamonic looks like a stud beside Gio but on Hamonic's own merit, not because EVERYONE looks like a stud beside the beast know as Gio.

That said, expecting a return for Brodie anywhere near what Hamonic and Hamilton garnered is absolutely rediculous.

Brodie's only decent quality is his skating. He is not physical. He isnt superior positionally on most nights. He doesnt have a heavy or accurate shot. And he rushes plays and has poor shot selection in the offensive zone.

Vs Wpg and Buf, the game tying goals were Brodie's fault due to his puck watching and not picking up a man and more often than not, he picks up the wrong man when the play gets scrambly in his own end.

I know im in the minority here, and I do not hate Brodie as he has been good for us in the past, but he is on the decline. From time to time he shows some brilliance, but he is a liability more often than not in my opinion.

Brodie can still get us a decent return and I am absolutely certain he have a replacement in our system for what he brings to this team.

Brodie is a much better player than Hamonic and certainly his perceived value is higher right now than Hamonic's was after his two disaster seasons in a row.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Brodie is a much better player than Hamonic and certainly his perceived value is higher right now than Hamonic's was after his two disaster seasons in a row.

How much better is he? Brodie's last two seasons haven't exactly been great. I tend to think of Brodie as a solid 3/4 guy while Hamonic is more of a 4/5. Certainly not leagues apart in my view. Is this a fancy stats thing? Because Brodie by the eye test hasn't been top pairing material in quite a while IMO. Pretty much needs Giordano to look the part.

[Toonage]

The market is what teams will pay/have paid. Doesn't matter what some individuals think of Brodie, truth is some team would pay exactly what a top 4D is worth.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Jones was already better than Hamonic and Larsson when he was traded, and he had the better pedigree and potential. It's easy to see why he fetched what he fetched, top 4 guys with top 2 upside are pretty rare. Hamonic and Larsson aren't comparable to Jones at all.

I honestly can't think of another trade where a 4/5 guy brought in a top 10 winger or a 1st and 2 2nds. Trev and Chia were fleeced in those trades pretty badly IMO.

Okay after 2 losses and the sky is falling the flames got fleeced. After 7 wins and discussing winning the division how does that trade look now? A 1st rounder in the 24-31 range a 2nd in the 54-61 range and another second which would likely be late is far from a fleecing for a top 4 D making less than $4M per and only 27 years old

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Brodie is a much better player than Hamonic and certainly his perceived value is higher right now than Hamonic's was after his two disaster seasons in a row.

...I have to ask, have you even watched Brodie play in the past two years? Especially this year? He has been downright attrocious. In the past you could at least count on him to put points on the board, but even that has been hard this year. He has been a black hole on the kill, and abysmal on the PP.

If we could get even a 2nd round pick for him, and allow some of the kids time to play, I would consider that a win. He is NOWHERE near as valuable as you (Ashasx) think he is.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

...I have to ask, have you even watched Brodie play in the past two years? Especially this year? He has been downright attrocious. In the past you could at least count on him to put points on the board, but even that has been hard this year. He has been a black hole on the kill, and abysmal on the PP.

If we could get even a 2nd round pick for him, and allow some of the kids time to play, I would consider that a win. He is NOWHERE near as valuable as you (Ashasx) think he is.

lol, the only thing atrocious is this take.

He started the season poorly but for the last six weeks has been very solid as the Flames have tightened things up.

Suggesting we might only be able to get a 2nd for him (with the contract he's on) is utter nonsense.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

...I have to ask, have you even watched Brodie play in the past two years? Especially this year? He has been downright attrocious. In the past you could at least count on him to put points on the board, but even that has been hard this year. He has been a black hole on the kill, and abysmal on the PP.

If we could get even a 2nd round pick for him, and allow some of the kids time to play, I would consider that a win. He is NOWHERE near as valuable as you (Ashasx) think he is.

A 2nd round pick??? Get out of here, Brodie is worth considerably more than that. Brodie has had his struggles this season, but this is a guy who had some consideration for the World Cup here. Regardless of your opinion, he has 20 points this season which is only 2 points from the lead held by Hamilton and Giordano, he has more points on the powerplay than any other defenseman and he's putting in a lot of minutes killing penalties for an improving penalty kill. You might want to re-think your opinion of Brodie just a bit.

[Jason14h]

I know +/- isn't the tell all stat BUT:

2016/2017
Gio +22
Hamilton +12
Stone +5
Engelland +2
Kulak -3
Brodie -16 (TEAM WORST)

2017-2018
Hamilton +13
Gio +9
Kulak +7
Stone -1
Ham -5
Brodie -10 (TEAM WORST)

When a teams top minutes D is the teams worst +/- for 2 straight seasons, there is a serious issue. (Unless you are a terrible team and everyone's is bad)

The difference between Gio and Brodie last season was 38!!! in +/-. And Gio plays harder competition.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I know +/- isn't the tell all stat BUT:

2016/2017
Gio +22
Hamilton +12
Stone +5
Engelland +2
Kulak -3
Brodie -16 (TEAM WORST)

2017-2018
Hamilton +13
Gio +9
Kulak +7
Stone -1
Ham -5
Brodie -10 (TEAM WORST)

When a teams top minutes D is the teams worst +/- for 2 straight seasons, there is a serious issue. (Unless you are a terrible team and everyone's is bad)

The difference between Gio and Brodie last season was 38!!! in +/-. And Gio plays harder competition.

...it really does make you question just...why not let him play on the right side for like 10 games? Just...ya know...to see what happens. What could possibly go wrong/worse?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If Hamonic nets a solid 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks, and Larsson nets Hall, Brodie (who is better than both players) should net a huge return.

And if he doesn't, you don't trade him.

In no universe is Brodie better than Hamonic or Larsson, neither of those players consistently turn the puck over in their own end.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I know +/- isn't the tell all stat BUT:

2016/2017
Gio +22
Hamilton +12
Stone +5
Engelland +2
Kulak -3
Brodie -16 (TEAM WORST)

2017-2018
Hamilton +13
Gio +9
Kulak +7
Stone -1
Ham -5
Brodie -10 (TEAM WORST)

When a teams top minutes D is the teams worst +/- for 2 straight seasons, there is a serious issue. (Unless you are a terrible team and everyone's is bad)

The difference between Gio and Brodie last season was 38!!! in +/-. And Gio plays harder competition.

Brodie has never figured out how to play defensively sound hockey, he makes high risk passes when he doesn't need to and forgets that hockey can be a contact game. His play the last 2 years leaves a lot to be desired. I thought he has played much better as of late but last game he was awful again. Very perplexing player

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Brodie is a much better player than Hamonic and certainly his perceived value is higher right now than Hamonic's was after his two disaster seasons in a row.

You are so wrong. Are you saying Hamonic had two disaster seasons in a row and then hyping Brodie who is a negative black hole in his past two years? Dude, much like Backlund you seriously need to stop way overrating the players you like, talking like Brodie has the same value as a guy like OEL and Backlund is on the same tier as Patrice Bergeron. Crazy.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

...I have to ask, have you even watched Brodie play in the past two years? Especially this year? He has been downright attrocious. In the past you could at least count on him to put points on the board, but even that has been hard this year. He has been a black hole on the kill, and abysmal on the PP.

If we could get even a 2nd round pick for him, and allow some of the kids time to play, I would consider that a win. He is NOWHERE near as valuable as you (Ashasx) think he is.

Brodie has had a pretty unspectacular last two seasons, but your comment about 'put points on the board' doesn't seem terribly accurate to me.

He currently has 20 points, so on par for best for 8th on the team and 3rd for defenseman.

The 2016-2017 he had 36
The 2015-2016 he had 45
The 2014-2015 he had 41

So point wise he is usually right where he typically is. I just notice absolutely bone-headed plays from him that I don't remember him doing 2-3 years ago.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...it really does make you question just...why not let him play on the right side for like 10 games? Just...ya know...to see what happens. What could possibly go wrong/worse?

Because the rest of our defense would be worse off.

Kulak with Hamilton and Hamonic with Stone? I think the results would be pretty ugly. And you would just be doing it to upgrade our top pairing which isn’t a problem in the first place (one of the best in the league by most metrics).


If we have another top 4 left shooting Dman instead of Stone then you could try it

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

...I have to ask, have you even watched Brodie play in the past two years? Especially this year? He has been downright attrocious. In the past you could at least count on him to put points on the board, but even that has been hard this year. He has been a black hole on the kill, and abysmal on the PP.

If we could get even a 2nd round pick for him, and allow some of the kids time to play, I would consider that a win. He is NOWHERE near as valuable as you (Ashasx) think he is.