I thought my perception was off for a second. Nelson and Brodie are close in value? In what crazy world would that be? I started thinking that perhaps I don't watch enough Islander games lately. Hmm... maybe I should go to an Isles' fan forum and see what their fans think of him. After doing so, and factoring in the cost of acquiring him, that I would rather just get Joe Colborne back. He can get 20 goals in a season playing next to Backlund, and can at least pass the puck decently (plus is good on the SO).
Fans seem to really dislike Nelson. 6'4", 240lbs, who has a wicked shot. Know what else he has? Nothing.. He doesn't hit, doesn't fight, smaller guys facewash him in scrums all the time with impunity. He doesn't win board battles. He can't pass. He seems to drag down the line that he is on. He has been called out by some Isles' media this year, as well as by Weight. He is played as a center, but also can't win face-offs. He has never been a 50% or greater face-off guy (his best season to date is this year, and he is at 48.2).
If your team is THAT starved for a goal scorer, then sure, go out and acquire Brock Nelson. He gives you literally nothing else. I have never been impressed by him. Honestly, I think I would much rather Joe Colborne back if you want a big guy that can be spoon-fed for 20 goals. He has a better contract too. Oh, and yes, Colborne is playing in the minors, even though the Avs are NOT a deep team by any stretch.
Nelson seems like a totally whipping boy on the Isles' board. Anyone that places him in the ballpark value range of a Brodie is talking out of their butts, sorry. (and bonus points for continuing the "Bennett is a bust" nonsense... roflmao!!!)
Read what Isles' fans seem to think about him (yes, fan perception is not an accurate gauge of value at all, but jeezus do they seem to dislike everything about his game other than his 'wicked shot').
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Shutdown line and Brock nelson is like saying Donald Trump and evangelical Christian in the same sentence. Brock Nelson shuts down no one, if he is on your shutdown line, you best be looking for lottery players. Nelson is top 6 or nothing.... he is not defensive minded in any way, and despite being the tallest guy on the ice, he will back down from fights even if challenged by Cam Atkinson
Nelson has a very good wrist shot and if he gets in position to shoot, he can score 20 goals for you... he is best used as a wing and I think he would need a coach in his ear all game for motivation, he has a lot of talent, but he doesn't show up to too many games ready to play
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brock nelson reminds me of the great Oleg Kvasha
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Reminds me of Yashin
Bigger guy
Not physical in any sense
Just an ok skater
Not a set up guy
Great shot and no heart
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That last line is amazing. A guy who's too hard on himself yet doesn't give 100% effort. It's like a toaster that doesn't get hot.
At this point I'd take a 5th round pick just to get Nelson off this team, so anything better than that is gravy.
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We can only hope that's the perception around the league.
(replying to how Friedman has heard he is hard on himself)
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Nelson needs to go, it's not working out here. Once upon a time, he was a decent two-way player, but over time his play has deteriorated and he has become a liability.
He's a good bet to score at least 20 goals a year, and that has value. Particularly to a team that is looking at him filling a top-six offensive role, where he's not surrounded by marginal players and has good players around him to carry play.
Hopefully we can acquire a de Haan replacement for him.
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I'm tired of watching this team get bullied. We have no one who physical intimidates anyone. Tired of watching P@$#y like Nelson who's 6'4 and does nothing, the other team laughs at him, they push, put gloves in his face and they laugh begging him to drop the gloves. When you have Prince, Eberle dropping the gloves because they are tired of the BS, we should be embarrassed. And Bailey coming to Lee's defense, wow
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That's the problem with this team, they are still at the "get rid of guys" stage...
Nelson, Quine, Prince, Hickey, Seids...all guys that won't help taking the next step, all guys I'd prefer replaced with either youth, grit, or just hard working smart players...
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It takes talent to get talent. If your trade pool consists of Nelson, Dal Colle, and Greiss, then you're not expecting quality in return; maybe someone's underperforming third set defenseman. The other teams have seen Nelson's softness, Dal Colle's lack of minor league development, and Greiss' performance. Those guys would need to be a sweetener in a package with Beau or JHS or one of the other highly regarded kids if a decent D is coming back. Add picks if you want top tier D.
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Yeah I got a man crush on Shaw, playoff performer in my eyes, another reason I want rid of Nelson (no show)...
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Nelson’s high center of gravity and poor balance will make him easy to knock down at just about any weight.
Nelson isn’t entirely the problem of this team... but he most definitely is not a solution.
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The parts of Nelson’s game that are the issue are the ones that can only be observed from watching him game in game out. He’s not strong on the puck, inconsistent effort and seems to react to game situations too slowly.
I’d have no problem with sacrificing his goal scoring for a true bottom six center who is good at face-offs, smart positionally and cable of controlling the boards. Kind of like a healthy Martin Hanzal.
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He has never gone 2 plus months with 5 points, this is what I would expect from Ross Johnston if he got the playing time of Nelson...
And yes visually he is a lot worse than his statline. It is like Turtle from Entourage meets Jesse from Breaking Bad.
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Brock Nelson “back checking” on that 2-1 was one of the most disgusting efforts I’ve ever seen in my entire life.
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Who to blame....
Brock the "Rock" for being just what he is, a Lifeless empty jersey...
Or Snow and Cappy/Weight for not trying to light a fire under this softys ass and keeping him around so long?
Can you imagine him in an old time preseason camp with Al or Scotty Bowman?
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Nelson is a waste of talent I never want to see him in an isles jersey again.
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Amen. I don't even want to waste time trading him. Just tell him not to get on the bus.
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Honestly just waive him, IF someone picks him up great, infect their team, if not, enjoy Bridgeport til your contract ends or your balls descend
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If the Coyotes gave us a 2nd rounder, that would be generous at this point and I think every poster here would volunteer driving him to the desert. If we could get him for Demers I think that is risk both teams should take. Isles need a dman that has experience that can eat minutes and do the right thing. Nelson could find himself playing on your top line and less pressure and find his touch, but he is as masculine as Anderson Cooper at a day spa
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A pile of dog **** is worth more than Brock Nelson
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Nelson is valued by Garth Snow higher than anyone else. Garth luvs him his own draft picks.
Nelson has an excellent wrist shot but not much else. He's 6'3" 240lbs but plays on the perimeter. He has to be fed the puck and will take his shot from the high slot.
If you want him you can have him. A 2nd round pick would be more than enough to get him, and I'll drive him to the airport. No need to thank me.
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Nelson is beginning to remind me of Matt Moulson. That is not a good thing.
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I thought Moulson was a human pylon but he was a 30 goal scorer at his peak and the Isles knew when to get rid of him. Nelson is far worse in that he never got 30 goals and has absolutely know value if he isn't scoring, Isles never tried to make Moulson a bottom 6 guy.. Nelson is as slow as Moulson, passes as poorly and never hits anyone... but at least Moulson was good on the power play.
Nelson reminds me of the 1993 acquired version of Adam Creighton
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Nelson is the definition of soft. Look up soft in the dictionary and Brock Nelson's picture will be there. I used to be a supported when he was at North Dakota but he has never grown into an NHL style game. Some team will take him for his 20 goals and we can maybe get a gut with some sandpaper and speed to fill that spot.
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Super soft if Nelson and the team has evolved without him anyone who is on his line will suffer immensely, I am sure Chimera's recent success is because he doesn't have to carry the prima donna, now it is the job of pubescent Beau.
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Nelson to me feels like a kid who was born with amazing raw size/talent for his town and his parents forced him to play hockey as a result when he really just wants to play with his chemistry set.
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He was good for a bit but he is slower now, and that is what the problem is, he doesn't move well and then he doesn't react well, this is a Strome problem 2.0
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He’s too inconsistent to play in a top 6 role, and he’s too lazy/heartless/disinterested to play a bottom 6 role. I don’t care if he scores 20 goals. He needs to be replaced with a Cizikas type role player now.
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It is time for this guy to sit in the luxury box... 4 goals and zero assists in his last 26 games, without every sitting out a game.
He does not hit, fight, dig for loose pucks, kill penalties... no value except for his offense which has disappeared completely... Every player that has to be on his line suffers immensely and has to overwork to compensate for all the times he falls to the ice, or is too slow to get to a puck, or turns the puck over.
The reason we have bottom 6 problem is Nelson, he is the common denominator and he has to sit out a few games.
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Here's my deal, I'm fine with a player going stretches without scoring. I'm fine with players that aren't that good defensively. I'm not fine with players that don't score, don't play good defense, don't win faceoffs and don't hit. At least Kulemin was solid defensively so he wasn't useless when he wasn't scoring. Clutterbuck is strong on the PK, hits and draws penalties. I can't point to anything that Nelson brings to the table when he isn't putting the puck in the net.... he doesn't even dig in the corners or set up anyone else for offense. Open up the dictionary and look under passenger, there's a picture of Nelson ... probably sliding down the ice on his ass, but nowhere near the front of the net or in a corner with the puck.
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14 games with 1 goal and no assists, if he is in an elevated role next year because of departures we are in big trouble, this is not a guy you can ever count on, and even if you aren't scoring goals you should have a few assists, this guy is on the PP... he is an emerging problem
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Not sure why people have to make arguments for what a player MIGHT do as opposed to what he's actually DOING. No one has to make excuses for guys like Leddy, Barzal, Tavares, etc, but with Nelson, "Yeah - He sucks now, but just wait..."
Sorry - When the playoffs come you don't have time to wait. You need players who bring it every shift. And unless the puck magically winds up on Nelson's stick so he can use his excellent shot, he gets outworked basically every time. Nothing is more unacceptable.
You guys can sit in the waiting room. I'm moving on.
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